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picaman Veteran Member


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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: Microsoft Officially Announces Zune |
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I have only one thing to say:
Brown? That's appropriate.
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From the Wall Street Journal:
Microsoft Corp. unveiled details of its first Zune digital media player, which it hopes to have in stores this holiday season to challenge Apple Computer Inc.'s popular iPod players.
The Zune will come in white, brown and black versions
The Redmond, Wash., giant said its Zune player will be available in three colors - black, white and brown - but did not disclose pricing or provide a launch date for the device.
"The digital music entertainment revolution is just beginning," said J Allard, vice president, design and development, at Microsoft, who is heading its Zune project. "With Zune, we are not simply delivering a portable device, we are introducing a new platform that helps bring artists closer to their audiences and helps people find new music and develop new social connections."
Microsoft said the Zune will feature a 30 gigabyte hard drive, built-in FM tuner and wireless networking capability. The Zune, which will be linked to a new music store run by Microsoft, will be available later this year. Many of the device's technical details were disclosed last month in a regulatory filing by Toshiba Corp., which is manufacturing the device for Microsoft.
The announcement comes two days after Apple unveiled its new lineup of iPod players, including an 80 gigabyte model, and added movie downloads to its iTunes store. |
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Doug Eldred Veteran Member


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Fox Veteran Member


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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: |
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It's not very attractive. One typical difference between Microsoft and Apple products. _________________ Mini 1: 2.3 ghz Core i5; 8 gb RAM, Corsair 240gb SSD, 500 gb Seagate XT
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Bandit Bill Veteran Member


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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone tech savvy already has an iPod. The rest of the world will be getting one for Christmas.
I really don't know why companies keep throwing their money down the toilet trying to compete with the iPod. You're better off selling the 3007th "made for iPod" accessory. |
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Raid Member

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 101
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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There are a lot of people who don't like iPods y'know. I was actually amazed at how the iPod doesn't have a custom equaliser for example, when my 4 year old 256mb Creative flash player, with a screen you can barely even read does. If Creative had made mac drivers (for my 5gb Zen micro), I'd never have even considered getting an iPod.
Don't lump everybody into the "we love the iPod!" crowd, because it simply isn't true. |
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microfox Member

Joined: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 214 Location: St-Hubert, Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Raid wrote: | There are a lot of people who don't like iPods y'know. I was actually amazed at how the iPod doesn't have a custom equaliser for example, when my 4 year old 256mb Creative flash player, with a screen you can barely even read does. If Creative had made mac drivers (for my 5gb Zen micro), I'd never have even considered getting an iPod.
Don't lump everybody into the "we love the iPod!" crowd, because it simply isn't true. |
Without mac drivers, I can connect my Creative Labs Zen USB 2.0 (20Gb) to mo my mac mini without any problem. There's even an ITunes plugin for it + XNJB, that work perfectly.
http://www.wentnet.com/projects/xnjb/
My wife has bought an Ipod (had to return it because of a battery problem) and I would never have traded my Zen and its features, for it. If I were 45 years younger I could prefer an Ipod for its look but I have other priorities, now. _________________ iMac 2010, 21.5", 8Gb of RAM
2.0GHz Core2Duo Mac mini, 2 Gb RAM,120Gb HD + 1Tb LaCie external HD, Hauppauge PVR 950 USB TV Tuner stick, running 10.8.2
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IPod Touch 4th generation 32Gb
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Raid Member

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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, whilst I could add music via XNJB, my XBox 360 wouldn't see any additional tracks, and it would still see album folders that I'd deleted, so I imagine it wasn't building the database properly.
To be honest, I did need a higher capacity player anyway, so it's not too big a deal. |
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devo Veteran Member


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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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I'll give Microsoft some credit for the widescreen display, but that's about it. I was a little disappointed that Apple didn't release a new sixth generation widescreen iPod earlier this week. I would've bought one in a second.  |
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Raid Member

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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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I could actually see this doing very well. What they need to do is make sure it's as integrated into media player as an iPod is integrated into iTunes. Fully automatic updating is a huge plus with the iPod for me. The wireless networking is a very nice idea too, particularly if it can be accessed by any PC without software installation; it could be used to take videos to a friend's house, or possibly even with Apple's new iTV (perhaps unlikely, but it'd be a neat feature if it did).
I'm really not sure why they'd bother with a brown version though. High tech mobile gadgets need to look modern, and brown... doesn't. |
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devo Veteran Member


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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Raid wrote: | | I'm really not sure why they'd bother with a brown version though. High tech mobile gadgets need to look modern, and brown... doesn't. |
They probably don't plan on selling a lot of brown models. I'd say it was just released to help them separate their line from the iPod. When's the last time you went into Circuit City or Best Buy and said " Hey, you got that in brown?"  |
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Bandit Bill Veteran Member


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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Raid wrote: |
Don't lump everybody into the "we love the iPod!" crowd, because it simply isn't true. |
Of course not "everyone" fits into the "we love the iPod" crowd. But over 80% of the market fits into that category.
I'd be interested in knowing if any other player has made a profit after R&D and advertising costs. If so, what product and how much profit?
My guess is that more people will buy/get an iPod this Christmas without even knowing what an iPod is, or how it compares to other MP3 players than all other MP3 players combined this holiday season including the "Zune".
I'm not an analyst, but you can see more than one analysts opinion on the success of the Zune at macdailynews.com |
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Bandit Bill Veteran Member


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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| devo wrote: | | Raid wrote: | | I'm really not sure why they'd bother with a brown version though. High tech mobile gadgets need to look modern, and brown... doesn't. |
They probably don't plan on selling a lot of brown models. I'd say it was just released to help them separate their line from the iPod. When's the last time you went into Circuit City or Best Buy and said " Hey, you got that in brown?"  |
Maybe brown will be popular with people with wood grain dashboards.
iPod connectivity in the car is an option by 70% of the American automobile manufacturers and the Zune has 0%.
I'm sure with brown as an option things will change  |
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devo Veteran Member


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microfox Member

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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Bandit Bill wrote: |
Of course not "everyone" fits into the "we love the iPod" crowd. But over 80% of the market fits into that category.
My guess is that more people will buy/get an iPod this Christmas without even knowing what an iPod is, or how it compares to other MP3 players than all other MP3 players combined this holiday season including the "Zune". |
Do you mean like people buying a PC with Windows without even knowing what a PC or Windows is ? or having compared that computer to other computers with other operating systems ?
90% (Plus) of the people can be wrong, sometimes... _________________ iMac 2010, 21.5", 8Gb of RAM
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Bandit Bill Veteran Member


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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| microfox wrote: | | Bandit Bill wrote: |
Of course not "everyone" fits into the "we love the iPod" crowd. But over 80% of the market fits into that category.
My guess is that more people will buy/get an iPod this Christmas without even knowing what an iPod is, or how it compares to other MP3 players than all other MP3 players combined this holiday season including the "Zune". |
Do you mean like people buying a PC with Windows without even knowing what a PC or Windows is ? or having compared that computer to other computers with other operating systems ?
90% (Plus) of the people can be wrong, sometimes... |
Exactly. The iPod is to MP3 players, as Kleenex is to tissues, as Q-tip is to cotton swab.
Even if something is WAY better than an iPod there is still a huge challenge to make a profit off of that device. Can you imagine the marketing dollars that would need to be involved to change peoples thinking. It is absolutely amazing how the iPod has become the generic word for MP3 (digital audio player). Almost nothing will be able to change this.
Sure there will be room for others in the market. But for another player to dominate the MP3 market is almost impossible. Just look at how much (in my opinion) better OSX is than Windows.
I'm happy with where Apple is and some people will be happy owning a Zune. Whether MicroSoft makes money on the Zune remains to be seen. But I'm sure they are going to throw a lot of money at it trying. |
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