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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must have 24" iMac! Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new size option is great for those who wanted a slightly bigger iMac, however I'm sure a few people will be a little disapointed that 3GB is still the maximum amount of RAM you can put into one of these machines.

They're using a 64bit processor capable of much more, and we all know how Mac OS X loves it's RAM, it's a real shame you don't seem to be able to get at even 4GB of RAM into these units with 2x2GB DIMMs.

Things being 30% to 50% faster is a nice boost though if you're someone who can realise that performance gain in real world use.

The graphics cards seem to have been improved a bit too, good news for gaming users.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They're using a 64bit processor capable of much more, and we all know how Mac OS X loves it's RAM, it's a real shame you don't seem to be able to get at even 4GB of RAM into these units with 2x2GB DIMMs.

Is there any reason you can't slap 2 x 2GB dimms in these?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The specs on the apple site state 3GB is the maximum memory.

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# 17-inch model with 1.83GHz processor

* 512MB (2x256MB) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 memory
* Two SODIMM slots support up to 2GB

# 17-inch model with 2.0GHz processor, 20-inch and 24-inch models

* 1GB (2x512MB) of PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 memory
* Two SODIMM slots support up to 3GB

http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aj wrote:
The specs on the apple site state 3GB is the maximum memory.

Considering that is with one 2GB and one 1GB dimm, I'm cautiously optimistic that these will take 4GB of ram without issue. Smile

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3GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 1x2GB, 1x1GB

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone has tried this with the Macbook Pro and found that it will only take the 1x2GB and 1x1GB combination.

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8300945231/m/719000469731/p/1

An interesting read.

I know they're not the same chipset, but something is limiting the previous chipset apparently artificially as the 2GB SODIMM works in either slot. I wouldn't go investing in those expensive 2GB SODIMMs until someone has verified that they work in this new platform.

I can't think of any reason why, if it were able to do so, Apple wouldn't be pushing the "Now with up to 4GB of RAM!" as one of the advantages of the new iMacs.

Perhaps the limitation is to prevent the iMac from competing too heavily with the Mac Pro.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok. Apparently, you cannot achieve the full 4GB of ram because some of the video memory is mapped int the physical address space by the chipset. (according to a thread over at macrumors, this is a known limitation of the chipset).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think these upgrades just reaffirm the value of the iMac over the Mini.
I know a lot of people don't like the built-in display, hell I don't either.
But with the value you get with that machine compared to the Mac mini... well I'm starting to look at the new iMacs....

The main thing is, the iMac has Core 2 Duo and the Mini does not.

Let me see here.
A 1.83GHz Core Duo Mac mini , w/ 160GB HD, 1GB RAM, 23" HD Apple display, keyboard/mighty mouse, iSight, integrated video card maxed at 64MB....$2,300.99

A 2.16GHz Core 2 Duo iMac 24" HD built-in display, w/ 250GB HD, 1GB RAM, keyboard/mighty mouse, built-in iSight, AN ACTUAL VIDEO CARD w/ 128MB...$1,999.

Or BETTER YET..
A 1.83GHz Core Duo Mac mini , w/ 160GB HD, 1GB RAM, 20" Apple display, keyboard/mighty mouse, iSight, integrated video card maxed at 64MB....$2,000.99

A 2.16GHz Core 2 Duo iMac 20" built-in display, w/ 250GB HD, 1GB RAM, keyboard/mighty mouse, built-in iSight, AN ACTUAL VIDEO CARD w/ 128MB...$1,499

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That makes the 20" iMac an even better value with a difference of $501.99; not that the 24" iMac isn't bad either with $301.99 in difference.

Of course that is if you are using same size Apple displays and including the iSights. You can get displays from other companies and skip the iSight.
But I'm just saying... for what you pay for, you are getting a lot on a iMac.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like a firewire 800 port on any new iMac I buy, a pity its only on the 24".
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that 24 is sweet. I can just picture it mounted to my desk with that new mounting kit and being able to pull it closer when needed etc. A 24inch mac suspended in air over my desk, oh drool. Very tempted to sell my new mini kit + my 20inch cinema to get the 24inch imac.. however the wife would kill me again!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always loved the iMac's and enjoyed my 20" iMac when I had it.

Don't be surprised if I end up with a 24" iMac sometime soon. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iMav wrote:
I've always loved the iMac's and enjoyed my 20" iMac when I had it.

Don't be surprised if I end up with a 24" iMac sometime soon. Smile


I wouldn't be surprised. That is a very nice machine.

A HD iMac is exactly what was needed. If you are going to be locked into a display it should be 1080p.

I'm interested to know how much better the sound on the 24" model is. t has a 24 Watt instead of a 12 Watt amplifier.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one would ever seek out for purchase a 24"+ LCD with a huge frame surround, we'd all go with a nice sleek 1cm surround that's why I think the 24" iMac is not aesthetically pleasing. The "chin" never bothered me on the 17 or 20" but this one does.

In the UK store this costs $2565 ouch!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get it painted by ColorWarePC.com or something. That would help make it disappear in the dark at least Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least one of the current HDTV manufacturers is using a surround that reminds me greatly of the G4 iMac "clear surround", which I generally liked. Several also have a wide surround to accomodate ambient lighting effects. Unless you're planning a multi-screen "wall" where narrow is a definite asset/requirement I'm not sure it makes much difference, except for personal esthetic preferences.

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