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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:22 pm    Post subject: Mac Mini 2012 or 2014? Reply with quote

It has been a very long time since I have posted on this site. Happy New Year to everyone including the 50 or so people who continually helped me with my first Mac in 2007. It was the Intel Core Duo 1.83. I still have it & am typing on it right now. After the Mac Mini I got a 27" iMac in 2009. The Logic Board in the iMac died in under 6 months. It was repaired Free by Apple, but here it is 2015 & I think the Logic Board is once again going. I have a Network Issue. Airport will only connect for 20 seconds at each startup & then cuts out or Freezes. The Ethernet is even worse. Shorts out my entire Network & it has to be reset. No, it's not the modem or a setting. I wiped it clean, still have the same issues.

Which leaves me to wanting to get a New/Newer Mac Mini to replace the iMac & maybe even using the iMac's 27" Monitor if that is possible. From what I have read, the new 2014 Macs are not Upgradeable as far as Ram & Hard Drive goes. So I'm thinking of getting a Used 2012 Mac Mini. What do you guys think? All opinions & comments welcome.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2012 UPs:
-much more user serviceable (RAM, potentially 2 HD's)
-i7 Quadcore option, which for multithreaded apps will be potentially faster than the most expensive model of 2014 Mini.
2012 Downs:
-only TB1, if that matters for future
-Support and potential to purchase AppleCare (might be a non-issue?)

The 2014 pound for pound appears a bit more expensive for what you get because it is. RAM you pay an uncharge for the Apple to soldier it to the board. Drive(s) can potentially be changed, although a bit more challenging. Only one 2.5" form factor the other is PCIe which is fast but not readily available to add later if not configured at purchase. That will probably be rectified at some point soon. I think the 2014 is a capable little machine that has a place with a consumer, but a lot of planning needs to be made up front to make sure that you aren't stuck with too little RAM 2 years down the road. Lack of quad core may not be the end of the world as I've read quite a few people happy with it, unless they use Handbrake or other incredibly intensive app.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I did get the 2014 version, I would need the middle version for $699. Is that i5 Processor with Turbo Boost really THAT much faster? Hey I'm using an old 2007 model & I have to say it still kicks *^%. This is like old faithful to me. I'll never let this little guy go. Sounds silly, but it has always been there in a pinch, like right now. I do want to try a Wifi USB Adapter with my iMac but none of the drivers support Yosemite at this point in time. Called OWC, Netgear & D-Link, just to make sure. If I could get my iMac working with a $50. Wifi USB Adapter that would be really nice.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never actually used one of the 2014s, only from what I have read in reviews, other Mac sites or inferred from the specs. In my opinion the mid-2014 is where the sweet spot is as far as bang for the buck. You should see a nice improvement over your current 2007.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea & that model won't require upgrading for what I use my computers for. 8GB Ram & 1 TB Hard Drive should be fine. But just the idea of not being able to upgrade always sticks in the back of my mind.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will be able to upgrade the HD. There is an extra shrouding blocking the way, vs the earlier models, but the shrouding can easily be removed to get at the innards.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it's really just the Ram that cannot be upgraded. It's soldered on the board, from what I read. Why would Apple do that? The 2012 version, you just unscrewed the bottom to change Ram & it was not soldered.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dino1956 wrote:
Why would Apple do that?


Best guess is to save money during manufacture and to make more money when you order a mini with extra ram.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are probably right about that.

Off Topic Question: Can I use my iMac 2006 27" as a Monitor plugged into a Mac Mini? The new Mac Mini would have Thunderbolt.
And what about my old 2007 Mac Mini with DVI? I read a bit about Target mode.
Are both possible or just the newer 2014 Mac Mini?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dino,

I wrestled with the same issue, and decided on the late 2012 (it was still under warranty, because the purchase was in August 2014).
Here is a related thread with some comments from members.
http://www.123macmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32050
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upgrading the Mac miniís RAM is almost impossible but adding an internal SSD is doable.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not ready to take the plunge right now. My iMac is still up and running, but I have to prepare a game plan, if she should suddenly just up and die. The 2012 is what I'm leaning towards. My old 2007 is still dynamite. I love it. It has been Old Reliable since I purchased it in 2007. I love my iMac but I feel as far as longevity goes, the iMacs don't really last that long these days, due to the All In One factor. Having the Screen & the Computer in one little box, has always seemed like asking for trouble to me. Thanks for all the help.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SamJoi wrote:
Upgrading the Mac miniís RAM is almost impossible but adding an internal SSD is doable.


Incorrect if you are talking about pre-2014, which is unclear in your post.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the RAM in the 2014 is Soldered In, so it can't be Upgraded. That is why I am considering the 2012 Mac Mini.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I was messing with externals (both old and new), I wanted to add another + reason for the 2012, is the user ports.

I was wanting to search for some old data on my 2010 WD My Book Studio (USB 2.0/FW800) and with great delight remembered that my 2012 has one FW800 slot, along with the 4 USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt port. Granted FW800 is not as fast as USB 3.0 but it is much much faster than 2.0 (which I thought I was going to be stuck using for that external). So my aluminum WD Studio is still a usable drive.

I think that along with the soldered in RAM and singular hard drive option, Apple dropped the ball on the ports with the 2014 model. They would have been better to stick with the 2012 ports (much more flexibility for the users).


And that new MacBook with a singular port? Whose making these decisions that will ultimately cause the average user to switch to a user friendly PC.
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