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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:02 am    Post subject: pros & cons of upgrading to Mountain Liom Reply with quote

Hi,
I am using Snow Leopard and I am happy with it. I heard that Lion is not exciting but that Mountain Lion is nice and stable.
My 2 questions are:
1) Is it possible to upgrade from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion in one step?
2) What would be (for me) the pros and the cons of upgrading? I don't want to discover that some apps are not supported any more. Is there a way of finding out BEFORE upgrading?
Thank you for your advice.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally think Mountain Lion overall is a downgrade. About the only thing really worthwhile upgrading to Mountain Lion for is iCloud syncing, but this can still be done with a USB cable.

You're not really missing out on much at this point. The day you should truly evaluate if it is worthwhile upgrading to Mountain Lion is the day that you find yourself unable to run software, that you can no longer run with Snow Leopard, or if Apple stops issuing security updates for Snow Leopard and there are known security issues.

Keep in mind I am giving my opinion in a general form. Sure people can pick apart specifics and list the reasons THEY like Mountain Lion, and I'm sure they will. Personally, I had Lion installed on my Mac mini and I went back to Snow Leopard, I'm quite happy that I went back to Snow Leopard. My mini runs much faster and I like the overall setup of the operating system much better. In my opinion it is the best OS Apple has ever made. It's efficient, stable and secure.

I do have an iMac with Mountain Lion. I run Mountain Lion, because I work at an Apple Specialist Store. I have to keep up with things.

One feature that I do like in Mountain Lion is the Messages App. It's nice to have it on the desktop to keep in touch with the GF, once I'm home. There was a beta version of this for Snow Leopard but Apple crippled it to spur new product sales. So it's not like it couldn't run on Snow Leopard, Apple just doesn't want it to.

Airplay Mirroring is also a nice feature, but you need an Apple TV and a 2011 or newer Mac.

Here is a list of 250 new features added with Mountain Lion. As I mentioned I like 3 of them (but don't use iCloud).

http://www.apple.com/ca/osx/whats-new/features.html

PowerPC (non Intel) apps will no longer be supported. Also some of your older hardware may not be supported. ie. My Canon Scanner is not supported.

Yes you can upgrade from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion in one step. Snow Leopard gave you the ability to access the App store. It's a simple download.

You can check application support at www.roaringapps.com
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot, Bandit Bill, for your sensible reply. I will wait as long as possible before upgrading since I am comfortable with Snow Leopard and it seems that I am not missing anything important by staying put. I am much obliged to you for reassuring me on that point.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Bill, I also much preferred Snow Leopard but Apple forced the migration on me with the loss of mobile me and the switch to iCloud. I now run Mountain Lion on all three of mine but I also think of it as a downgrade and an overall dumbing down of Mac OS X.

My personal hates are:-

iCloud, I never use it to store documents but yet it insists on bringing up the icloud document window every time I start an Apple app. This reminds me of Microsoft, where upgrades usually mean you end up doing extra mouse clicks to do the same job Evil or Very Mad Syncing works pretty well in iCloud but then it also did in Mobile Me and .Mac so no big improvement there.

I also hate the way apple dumbed down the file system, all because some numpties couldn't save their files. So now they impose their new system on every one. I still haven't got use to the way they expect us to work now and have messed up more files with the new system than I ever did before. My usual work flow is to open a document and SAVE AS a new version before editing, now you have to duplicate it first which I always forget to do. This means you end up modify the original file and then finding you can't save as. I never use the built in, show me other versions of this file, other than to recover my original when I mess up like this. My workflow has always been to create my own versions as I go along and I'm not going to change the way I work now just because Apple want to appeal to people who don't know what they are doing.

Mac App Store. - I really don't like the control this gives Apple, and I prefer to get my apps directly from the developers.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't Snow Leopard also the LAST OSX version that will run old apps (i.e. PowerPC) under Rosetta emulation?

I run Filemaker under SL, but I believe if I move on to ML, I'll lose that option.

maurice, do you still run any old apps, like me?
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Edit: Sorry, just realised BanditBill just told us all this above, before me! Well, I can confirm: he's right, as usual!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Macintosh users always appreciated its conviviality and ease of use. We had the feeling that Apple engineers had put themselves in our place and found ways to save us a maximum of chores. Nowadays it seems that they go for show-off gadgetry instead of making our lives easier.
Take TextEdit: it is very well made but lacks some basic tools like a word count and the possibility of linking to a word (it can only link to a file)
If you want to bring up a filename in a Finder's list you just type a space before its name, but there is no way to bring a filename down (unless you type a greek letter before the name, but greek letters are not as quickly available as a space)
Having to boot from another volume to be able to repair the HD in Disk Utility is a chore that should be avoidable.
This said, I love my Mac and I do everything with it except (so far) brewing coffee.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BanditBill put it better than I can, but I'll toss in my two cents -

I'd recommend staying with 10.6 if possible. If I could get 10.6 on my newest mini, I'd do it in a heart beat!

So many things that annoy me about 10.7 that are completely different from the way that I've used Macs since '84, that I sometimes spend more time trying to get it to do something than it actually takes to do it. I just wasted half an hour(on the one day a year, I don't have half an hour to waste) trying to get it to network with my peecee. Looks like something went wonky, and all I need to do was turn off SMB sharing and then turn it back on.

I still couldn't connect via the mapped drive, I had to Alt-R and enter the network address and it came up right away.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cypher wrote:
My workflow has always been to create my own versions as I go along and I'm not going to change the way I work now just because Apple want to appeal to people who don't know what they are doing.

I agree. I've yet to talk to anyone who doesn't work that way.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too would be all snow if possible.

I have 2 minis with mountain and 1 with snow mountain and mountain lion (my 2010 has all 3) My 2012's have windows and mountain and I have a few pc's

All A royal PITA to keep track of 3 mac osx and 2 windows.

I rather have stayed with snow and windows 7.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

philiparcario wrote:
I too would be all snow if possible.

I have 2 minis with mountain and 1 with snow mountain and mountain lion (my 2010 has all 3) My 2012's have windows and mountain and I have a few pc's

Snow Mountain, now there's one I never heard of before. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:43 pm    Post subject: Mountain Lion OS Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
Thanks a lot, Bandit Bill, for your sensible reply. I will wait as long as possible before upgrading since I am comfortable with Snow Leopard and it seems that I am not missing anything important by staying put. I am much obliged to you for reassuring me on that point.
Bill is very knowledgeable about these OS. I have LION OS and I am happy with it. Mountain Lion to me is no big deal.Snow Leopard was also good to.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was hesitant to move to ML myself. But did so as by using it I was able to ditch using a Microsoft Exchange account. Now using IMAP, and the contacts/Calendar/Notes they all synch between my home, work and iPhone.

I've found work arounds for the file system annoyances and I still get my apps from the Developers for 90% of the apps I use, not that many have gone AppStore exclusive.

The only app I lost in the move was a game, everything else worked. I was very disappointed about the game, but then found StartCraft II and it made the pain go away LOL. Without knowing what apps your using it's hard to say what you maybe giving up, but BB gave you a good resource to check out.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am very happy with Mt. Lion.

Lion gave me huge fits..lots of GUI wonkiness which has vanished for me in Mt. Lion. To me, Mt. Lion is a very nice evolution..worthwhile upgrading from Lion or even from the Great Snow Leopard.

I plan to avoid the first-round cats from now on..seems the 2nd cat in a series works better (Snow Leopard fixed lots of Leopard woes, Mt. Lion better than Lion..)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Bandit Bill's advice. That being said I've come to rely on too many technologies in Mountain Lion to ever consider going back to Snow Leopard. I spend a considerable amount of time Screen Sharing into two minis—one local and one colo'ed. The improvements to Screen Sharing in Mountain Lion were worth the upgrade for me.
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I was using SL on my 24 inch IMac, no crashes, with ML I got one nearly ever week..
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