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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:53 am    Post subject: MacPro vs mac mini Reply with quote

Okay just a tease for now but I will run a comparsion of mac pro vs mac mini. To be fair I will use 3 different mac minis I owned vs the one mac pro. more later.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

first comparison is price. which for most mac mini owners is the killer.. a 2010 macpro 2.8 quad is 2119 as a refurb

2.8 quad 2010
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FC560LL/A?mco=MTkyMTM1OTY




2.66 quad 2009
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB871LL/A?mco=MTEzMzA3MDk

as you can see apple refurb has some bizarre price structure the above 2 are the same price and the 2010 is a far better machine. it is really important to hold out for that 2010 model at 2119. here is an easy discount hint use you discover card through the discover website and get 5 percent discount so in a high tax state like IL the unit is 2119 plus 212 tax minus 106 disc card discount or about 2225. In a low tax state it stays near the 2119 and in a no tax state it is about 2013. My 2010 mac mini that is disliked so much I sold cost . 699 new plus 150 for the cpu upgrade or 849. to be fair it did show as a refurb one time at 749.


so the first setup is price 2010 mac pro 2119 2010 mac mini 749. refurb no tax.

next cpu power 2010 mac pro 2.8GHz quad core
2010 macmini 2.66GHz quad core

next is storage 2010 mac pro 1tb caviar black hdd
2010 macmini 320gb hitachi

next is ram 2010 mac pro 3 1gb sticks

2010 mac mini 2 1gb sticks


dvd 2010 mac pro 18x super drive

2010 macmini 8x super drive



mac pro keyboard and mouse

mac mini none this is a 100 dollar difference
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well so far I spent 2119 vs 749 add the 100 for a keyboard and it is 2119 vs 849 add in that a 2010 mac pro has an airport extreme built in and you are a bit closer 179 so now you are at 2119 vs 1028.

lets talk ram you can buy 1 4gb stick of ram for your pro at 90 bucks this brings you to 7gb ram. you can buy 2 4gb sticks of ram for your mini at 167 bucks brings you to 8gb ram.

so now you are at 2209 for the pro and 1195 for the mini. that is not quite what i did. I put extra ram in the pro so I am a little higher about 2400 for the pro.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so you can see that the pro is still quite a bit more then the mini but the speed and performance is so much more. also after careful tweaking of my pro i found that 4 of these hdds


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284&cm_re=cavair_black-_-22-136-284-_-Product

can go in the 4 bays of a mac pro as a 4 drive raid0 4tb total. the real beauty of this is the stock hdd from apple is the above hdd so you can buy just 3 of these hdds. cost is about 250. why is this so good.. this 4tb raid0 is 250 out of pocket and is most case out preforms any ssd on the market. so for a 250 price addition you get almost a 4tb ssd. you can't come up with a number for the worth of this.

I have found that as long as I keep the 4tb raid0 under 2tb full I get read write speeds around 400mb/s! that is faster then any 1 drive ssd on the market! plus it is 4tb in size but for the super speed under 2tb. so now the machine is at 250 cash plus 2400. or 2650 but super speed. I kept a qx2 from owc with 4tb in drives in it and I cloned the mac pro's raid0. so my info is backed up and the machine is super fast super fast. What I really like is I don't need ssd's so for now I can sell off the 6 I have at good prices and not worry about the entire ssd world.

the caviar blacks have a 5 year warranty. this is a real set it and forget option. for the mac pro. also i don't need a boatload of tag on enclosures and a mess of cables.



with mini's ssd's are kind of a real need to help the slower cpu cope.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

another big feature for the macpro at the base level 2010 2.8ghz refurb price is it can add on the 6 core cpu... it is an easy upgrade. if you go to apple online the 6 core 3.33GHz machine is a 1200 dollar upgrade well the part can be found for 899.99 on ebay and is a simple upgrade to the base 2.8ghz 2010 machine. here is an ebay link.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Xeon-W3680-3-33-GHz-processor-6-Core-NEW-/320603535498?pt=COMP_EN_Networking_Components&hash=item4aa575b88a


remember if you go this route you can sell your pulled 2.8ghz for about 300 and the net cost is 600 bucks..

this means you can have a 2010 3.33ghz 6 core for under 3k.

It is very frustrating to me that I had to buy this piece of gear but the mini's I owned were not moving and managing data and hdds like I want them to do.

I had a lot of enclosures now I have sold off 4 of them

3 sans digital towerstors and 1 owc qx2 those units retail at 180 each so that is 540 and 300 for the qx2 so the total is 840.

if I add that to my mini I am now over 2k. with 4 external drives hooked up an air port express just a big mess.

I need to watch for the new mini update because the one I have is short on cpu power. I need to watch for better ssd's because they are new tech..

well guess what Now I don't have to look for a better ssd. I can wait. I don't have to worry about a quicker cpu I have a 2.8 quad with a pre planned upgrade to a 3.33 hex. this means the chase is off. I can play with programs more then gear. which is fine with me.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was a great comparison philip.

How noisy and hot is the Pro compared
to the mini?

What graphics card did you get with the Pro?

Will you be using two displays?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not noisy if you can place it properly. I got the better graphics card for about 180 more... due to the discounts I was entitled to.

The better card is not needed as I have 1 screen. I may pull it and sell it.


yeah it is warmer.




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Both ATI Radeon HD cards each have two Mini DisplayPort outputs and one dual-link DVI output for a total of three video ports. All three ports are available for simultaneous use, depending upon the type of connection, and support multiple displays in two modes. Extended desktop mode allows you to work on three displays at once for increased desktop real estate and enhanced productivity. Video mirroring mode is useful when presenting to groups — the same image that you see on your local display also appears on a projector or auxiliary display. Simply attach multiple monitors and Mac OS X will recognize all the displays. Use the Displays system preference to configure your monitors in either extended desktop or video mirroring mode.

Note: If you are using more than one Mini DisplayPort to Single-Link DVI adapter, only two displays are supported across the three ports. To connect up to two Mini DisplayPort displays and up to a 30-inch DVI display simultaneously, use the ports without any adapters. To connect two DVI displays, use the dual-link DVI port and the Apple Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter or the Apple Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter (sold separately). To connect three DVI displays at once, you must use two Apple Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapters (sold separately). To connect up to three VGA displays simultaneously, use the Mini DisplayPort to VGA adapter and DVI to VGA adapters (sold separately).


ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
Two ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB [Add $250.00]
ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB [Add $200.00] < THIS WAS MY ADDON.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad SJ dropped that Nvidia card
in favor of the ATi card on the entry
level Mac Pro to match the rest of their
graphics cards. That Nvidia card didn't
have a fan so it could (would) overheat
and go bad. I've read more than a few
of Mac Pro users rants on how their Nvidia
card needed to be replaced because it went
bad. The ATi's with fans don't have a
overheating problem but I thought they
might sound like a jet plane taking off.
I'm glad the new Mac Pro is not to loud.

Philip, since you don't play any graphics
intensive games, what benefits will you
get with your graphics card upgrade,
if you exclude the ability to possibly
support a third display?

What did you say your address was?
When does the family go to the grocery
store? I'm joking, I'm joking !!!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only benefit of the better card for now is I have it and it can be sold at a good price as it is a hot ticket for now. I may trade it on the macpro forum for a 5770 and cash. In the future I am getting new screens it would be beneficial then.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:14 am    Post subject: 6 Full Size Hard drives Inside A Mac Pro Reply with quote

Philip, how about an adapter that
will enable you to install 6 Hard
Drives inside your Pro? Not just
two extra 2 1/2inch Hard Drives
but two extra 3 1/2 inch Hard
Drives. I know, I know! Six
3 1/2 inch Hard Drives.

Your LINK.
I don't know if it works with
your 2010 Mac Pro. I Have my
fingers crossed.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no it needs a bootable pci-e card so you spend 139 and lose a pci-e slot. the pro only has 3 empty ones to start with.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you just use the SATA connectors
that would have been used by two Optical
Drive's.

Ahhhh, I see, "Requires one PCIe slot".
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to be honest I could add a fifth hdd in the bottom optical tray. if I use a 2tb hdd it can be an osx clone of the 6tb raid0. bear with me. this 6tb software raid0 of four 1.5 caviar blacks is really fast. it is reading and writing at about 400mb/s. the one caveat is keeping the raid0 at 2tb or less.

once it gets over 2tb I can't do a 1 hdd backup of it and it slows in speed. So I have it at 1.4tb and this is all my goto stuff. As in I use most of it a lot. it cost 400 bucks to build it. where are you going to get ssd speed for 400 bucks that is 1.5tb to 1.8tb big. the answer is no where.


If I put the 2tb hdd in the optical bay I can use super duper to schedule a backup every fri nite at 11:30pm that drive is bootable so I have instant recovery if the raid0 dies. but wait what if the raid0 osx dies during the backup on fri nite. I have a second backup on a second 2tb via fw800 it is scheduled every sat nite. And I have a third 2tb hdd on usb2 it is scheduled every sun nite. yeah it is not dead cheap but. the 3 backup drives are about 400 bucks paying for super duper was 28 bucks. I finally paid for it. so for 800 and 30 bucks I have the equal of a 1.5tb ssd with 3 bootable backups.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:20 pm    Post subject: 10 TB Mac Pro Reply with quote

If you use a fifth 2TB HD in the Optical Tray
that would leave you with two free PCIe slots
open. Doesn't Sonnet (and others) make PCIe
cards that have several internal and external
SATA ports. That should enable you to use
an external Hard Drive enclosure. With Two
Sonnet PCIe cards you could have 8 TB's of
external storage. Or two Qx2's connected via
SATA would give you 16 TB's of non bootable
storage.

I forgot, the Graphics Card that now come
with the Mac Pro have a cooling fan. I guess
that makes them so wide only to Graphics
Cards will fit and not leave room for more
cards.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: HELP...Buy a Quad 2.66 Mac Pro or Dual Core 2.66 Mac mini??? Reply with quote

Ok, I may have an opportunity to buy
a Mac Pro "Referb" 2.66 Quad Core
XEON
with a Radeon X1900XT w/Dual DVI
ports. Two Firewire 800 and two 400 ports.
4 Gigs RAM all for $900.

My question is, should I be interested in the above
Mac Pro (I think its about two years old)
or would I be better off with a 2010 Referb
Dual Core 2.66 Mac mini? The mini would run $719.

My gut tells me to jump on the Mac Pro like
white on rice, if I'm able. So, QUAD 2.66-Pro or
Dual 2.66-mini? Oh yah, I think its the Dual Processor
Dual Core-Pro.......Catalog #MA356LL/A-R.
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