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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:04 pm    Post subject: Scorpio Black question Reply with quote

I am considering upgrading the HD in my late 2009 (2.53) mini to a 500 GB Scorpio Black. Searching through the posts, I gather that I can expect the WD to normally run in the 50 - 55 degree (C) range. My main concern is keeping the Mini running as quietly as it does now. With the stock 320 GB Hitachi running normally in the 42 - 44 degree (C) range, the Mini's fan pretty much runs at 1500 (+/-) .... unless I am doing something CPU/Video chip demanding. Can I expect, based on actual member use of the WD, an increase in fan RPM to compensate for the additional heat being generated by the hard drive. If so, what kind of increase am I looking at. I really prefer using this particular Mini .... but I have grown so used to the lack of significant fan noise.

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PS .. I have been periodically following this forum since it's inception ... but never got around to joining or posting something until now!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends from person to person as to what is too loud. Hundreds of people have put in scorpio black hdds in their mac minis. Less then ten percent have claim it is too loud. I have done 15 or so for myself and for sale to others. I don't notice a problem and only one buyer emailed me claiming to hear the difference.

One question is the mini really close to you? like under the monitor about 2 feet from your head?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

philiparcario wrote:
One question is the mini really close to you? like under the monitor about 2 feet from your head?


Thanks Phil ... that's about where it is .... under my monitor ... about 18-24 inches from me. Frankly, if the additional heat of the Scorpio doesn't raise the normal rpm of the fan by 100 rpm or so ... I will be happy.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well then you may be able to hear it.

having used the hdd you are using and scorpio blacks you will get a huge boost in speed. the speed boost may be worth the small bit of noise you hear.

just depends on background noise etc.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth, I've had the 750GB Scorpio Black for a couple of weeks now. It's about as quiet as the stock 5400RPM Hitachi drive that came with my Mac mini. I'm very sensitive to noise, so it's something I'd definitely pick up on. The fan has never revved up during heavy reads/writes, so I don't think temperatures are an issue. In my previous Mac mini, I had an old 200GB Hitachi drive that would rattle the walls and cause the fan to spike. I haven't had anything like that with the Scorpio Black.

Of course, this is the newer 750GB version, but Western Digital built this on the foundation of their previous drives. So, I think it's a good indication of what to expect from the 500GB version.

BTW, I keep my mini on my desk, so it's not like I've got it squirreled away somewhere that I can't hear it.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe the 750gb is quieter then the 500gb
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colstan wrote:
For what it's worth, I've had the 750GB Scorpio Black for a couple of weeks now. It's about as quiet as the stock 5400RPM Hitachi drive that came with my Mac mini. I'm very sensitive to noise, so it's something I'd definitely pick up on. The fan has never revved up during heavy reads/writes, so I don't think temperatures are an issue.


Thanks - that is something to consider. Originally, I had not given much thought to the newer 750 Black because I really don't need that much internal capacity (I have 5 external drives I use for various back-ups and storage space) and wasn't sure it would be worth the additional $50 or so price difference.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found the a lot of overhead ie extra drive space really helps the drive run easy.

The new 750gb would never have to work hard to look for empty space.


I just have not gotten around to testing the 750gb drives that go at 7200rpm. The 5400 rpm ones were very quiet and faster

this is one I tested and was very good. my review from last year is on newegg's site

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136546&cm_re=scorpio_blue_750gb-_-22-136-546-_-Product

my review from newegg:


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WD7500BPVT BETTER then Good drive
Pros: This drive has the fastest xBench scores in a 2.26ghz Macmini of any 5400rpm hdd. I installed it yesterday I ran xbench I got a score of 143. I have run 10 other 5400 rpm hdds in the same Macmini none of them score close. 135 or less. Quiet and runs cool.

Fits in a Macmini. So it should fit in any laptop using 2.5inch. This is the largest drive for a laptop/macmini that fits. This is the fastest 5400rpm hdd in 2.5 form. price of 120 is good. For today this is the best laptop hdd out there. Only ssd's are better due to speed.But ssd's with 500gb storage cost over 1000 dollars.

Cons: Not as fast as I want. Not as big as I want. But then again I want a 2tb 2.5inch hdd that fits in a laptop with ssd speed and cost 100 bucks.

Other Thoughts: Buy this now it is so much better then anything out there it will sell out quickly. This would be a great drive to turn your Macmini into a htpc/dvr. It is big enough to store a lot of tv recordings and fast enough to handle HTPC demands.

4 out of 6 people found this review helpful. Did you?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drh wrote:
Originally, I had not given much thought to the newer 750 Black because I really don't need that much internal capacity (I have 5 external drives I use for various back-ups and storage space) and wasn't sure it would be worth the additional $50 or so price difference.


I've got a bunch of external drives for storage as well, but it's nice to not actually have to deal with them, as I did with an SSD. I'm not sure I will ever need 750GB, but I decided that if I'm going to spend the money then I might as well get the best. Of course, I thought I'd never fill up my old 200GB drive, so I assumed wrong back then. Also, as Phil said, drives tend to perform better when they have ample "breathing room".

I put up a review for the 750GB Scorpio Black on Newegg. Here's what I said:

Pros: Extremely fast, very quiet, runs cool, excellent warranty, stellar reputation, huge capacity, mature technology, works flawlessly with Mac OS X.

Cons: None.

Other Thoughts: I've had the 750GB Scorpio Black in my Mac mini for a couple of weeks now. The first thing that surprised me is how quiet it is. I expected a performance drive to be loud. I don't notice a significant difference in sound between the Scorpio Black and the 5400RPM stock drive. As far as temperatures are concerned, it hasn't caused the fan to rev, even when under heavy load. The Scorpio Black is blazingly fast in heavy reads/writes and very responsive. It's certainly faster than the Seagate Hybrid drive that I had before and is also a lot quieter and far more reliable. The price difference between the 500GB and 750GB model isn't huge, so I personally wouldn't get the older and slightly slower 500GB version. After going through the stock 5400RPM drive, an OCZ SSD, and a Seagate Hybrid, I've settled on the Scorpio Black. It's the best mechanical hard drive on the market and has an excellent balance between capacity and performance.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and it has a 5 year warranty.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all ... after considering the options, comparing the specs and reading reviews ... decided to go with the scorpio black 750. While the 500 would have given me more than ample free space for wiggle room ... figured the 750 might be better in the long run for the lifespan of this particular mini. I will post any differences in temps and fan speed once the drive arrives and I install it.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

please do. regards phil
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you enjoy your new Scorpio Black, Dennis. I really like mine. I think it's the best hard drive for the Mac mini.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:18 pm    Post subject: Update Reply with quote

Installed the scorpio black 750 this morning. So far ... I am pleased. Overall, the drive is just a tiny bit louder than the stock Hitachi 320 GB drive ... in that I can hear disk activity more clearly than I did with the Hitachi. That doesn't bother me at all ... since it was any increase in fan rpm and noise which was a concern of mine. From my testing so far (purely unscientific ... real world use testing), fan rpm has only increased about 6 - 10 rpm, depending on what I am doing (idle is around 1498 - 1500 ... right at the low limit). That's good. Drive temp is about 2 - 4 degrees (C) higher than the Hitachi ... hovering around 44 degrees when idle or doing minimally intensive tasks. I did some hard disk demanding tasks to raise the drive temp to 50 degrees and the fan did not increase beyond 1510 rpm. The only thing I noticed is that it did take a little longer for the drive temp to cool down to the 44 degree range than the Hitachi took to return to its idle temp. Again, not a problem as long as the heat isn't causing the fan to ramp up to cool things down. So, thanks Phil and Colstan .... think this was a good decision. The stock Hitachi now resides in an OWC Mercury Elite-LA mini enclosure.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THANKS for the info.

so far the wd black 750gb is 2 for 2 on this site.
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