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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Not happy... Reply with quote

rtheil wrote:
Just bought myself my first OSX Mac so that I can learn some Objective-C development. I bought a brand new 2010 Mac mini.

I get the mac mini home, and start looking around and checking specs. First thing I see is that the negotiated link speed of my hard drive in the system profiler, is 1.5 gigabit, but the controller is capable of 3 gigabit. I called Apple, and people were so confused by what I was talking about. Finally, I got the request sent to engineering. Engineering's response was "This is as designed, as we only install SATA I drives in all Mac mini computers." Wow, seriously? You put a drive with technology from 7 years ago in my 1 day old Mac? LAME!

Further research leads me to a section on the mac mini configuration in the apple store where you can choose a hard drive. It says “All Mac mini models include standard Serial ATA hard drives with data transfers up to 300 megabytes per second”. Now, if you know how to convert bytes to bits, you'd know that 300 megabytes is about 2.4 gigabits. This means to me that I will receive a SATA II hard drive in my computer, connected to a SATA II controller, as only SATA II and SATA III are capable of 300 megabytes per second.

I called Hitachi to confirm with them that in fact the drive in my Mac is a SATA I drive. And even though it's a desktop computer, this drive has the free-fall sensor in it. So, here I am with a BRAND NEW Mac, and its hard drive is technology from 7 years ago.

I'm awaiting another response from Apple engineering as to why the web site says one thing, but they are doing another. More importantly though, I am trying to get the word out to everyone so that people will stop buying Mac mini computers. Why would anyone buy a machine that knowingly has technology in it from 7 years ago? This is without mentioning that the optical drive is only 8x vs. the standard 16x-22x drives in PCs today. Unfortunately, I'm not interested in dropping $800 in something that contains technology from many years ago. Especially since it's only been 3 days since it was announced by Apple.

Returning the Mac within a couple days.


Thanks for making another Great Apple product
available to us for a discounted price at the Apple
Referb. Store! Would you please buy a "Unimini
Server" and return it. I would like one at a discount.
I thank you in advance.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, this got me thinking. I've bought Mac mini's because they don't come with that old technology called Keyboard, Mouse, or Monitor. But they tricked me! They still come with memory, a processor, and storage. How could anyone buy this 70 year old technology?

Another trick: The 2010 model pretends to get rid of the power supply. But others have found that it still has one. They hid it inside! What a despicable company Apple must be.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saul - LOL! Those bastards!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he (rtheil) is right, so I couldn't follow all the sarcasm you boys spread here ...
I love my MacMini, but it doesn't instantly mean I agree with everything what apple is cooking for us ...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The name is "Mac mini." By that very name everyone should know that it is not a full size/full featured machine. It does some things very well but is still a niche product.

Apple makes machines for a purpose - to do what they think people need. rtheil said that he wanted to learn C development but then found fault with the hardware components that had nothing to do with learning. None of the issues he came up with would prevent him from his stated goal. If, in reality, rtheil bought a Mac to be the best/fastest high tech toy then he was misled somewhere.

He did have a point about false advertising. I don't see on the web site where Apple stated 300mB/s. It would be wrong if they did.

Lastly he stated "Returning the Mac withing a couple days." Why is he waiting?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

saul wrote:
rtheil said that he wanted to learn C development but then found fault with the hardware components that had nothing to do with learning. None of the issues he came up with would prevent him from his stated goal.

Saul, you've hit the nail right on the head. If someone wants to learn Obj-C, the Mini is a perfect machine with which to do it -- data transfer rates are completely irrelevant to writing and compiling code.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blew up the text so I could read it... this is hilarious! This guy needs to go build his own Mac Mini then he can put whatever he wants into it. I can't believe he called Apple and told them all this with a straight face. Some Apple engineers must be shaking their heads on this one...

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I get the mac mini home, and start looking around and checking specs. First thing I see is that the negotiated link speed of my hard drive in the system profiler, is 1.5 gigabit, but the controller is capable of 3 gigabit. I called Apple, and people were so confused by what I was talking about. Finally, I got the request sent to engineering. Engineering's response was "This is as designed, as we only install SATA I drives in all Mac mini computers." Wow, seriously? You put a drive with technology from 7 years ago in my 1 day old Mac? LAME!

Further research leads me to a section on the mac mini configuration in the apple store where you can choose a hard drive. It says “All Mac mini models include standard Serial ATA hard drives with data transfers up to 300 megabytes per second”. Now, if you know how to convert bytes to bits, you'd know that 300 megabytes is about 2.4 gigabits. This means to me that I will receive a SATA II hard drive in my computer, connected to a SATA II controller, as only SATA II and SATA III are capable of 300 megabytes per second.

I called Hitachi to confirm with them that in fact the drive in my Mac is a SATA I drive. And even though it's a desktop computer, this drive has the free-fall sensor in it. So, here I am with a BRAND NEW Mac, and its hard drive is technology from 7 years ago.

I'm awaiting another response from Apple engineering as to why the web site says one thing, but they are doing another. More importantly though, I am trying to get the word out to everyone so that people will stop buying Mac mini computers. Why would anyone buy a machine that knowingly has technology in it from 7 years ago? This is without mentioning that the optical drive is only 8x vs. the standard 16x-22x drives in PCs today. Unfortunately, I'm not interested in dropping $800 in something that contains technology from many years ago. Especially since it's only been 3 days since it was announced by Apple.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will respond only once, because it looks to me very pointless after I read all the replies. I don't care that "C development" and all that "Returning the Mac withing a couple days." talk.
I'm interested only in facts and I can remember that the information:
“All Mac mini models include standard Serial ATA hard drives with data transfers up to 300 megabytes per second” was on apple web site, in the configuration process of your MM order.
Now, it's not there. So you will probably laugh, but apple has really learn something from this guy.

You surely want a proof, right? Ok, so navigate, let's say, to German apple store and configure your MM order. And what do we see there?

"Alle Mac mini Modelle sind mit standardmäßigen Serial-ATA-Festplattenlaufwerken ausgestattet, die Übertragungsgeschwindigkeiten von bis zu 300 Megabyte pro Sekunde erreichen."
http://store.apple.com/de/configure/MC270D/A?mco=MTgxNjEzNzQ

It's exactly what rtheil wrote before, only in German, nothing more, nothing less ...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is half speed for a very simple reason. it has 2 not one sata connections. you won't get it beyond 155mb/sec for either drive if you have a server or a modded esata like like I have. this is why they did not bother to add an expressCard or an esata jack.

if they did you would realize it max speed without a lot of effort. see this link


http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?t=213477 .last two pages

this is my esata hack. you can buy a 2.53ghz refurb and build this for another hundred bucks. so at 689 you have a complet machine ready to hookup to a pair of esata drives. since the two drive will neve write faster then155MB/sec you can buy two of these



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816111110&cm_re=sans_digital-_-16-111-110-_-Product


for 60 bucks



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185&Tpk=samsung%201tb%20f3


two of these for 150 bucks 210 more and for a grand total of 900 have a mac midi with 2 1tb hdds that runs in the 110MB/sec write speed. small foot print. the top can look better then I did. It can go back to stock fast.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dag777 wrote:
I will respond only once, because it looks to me very pointless after I read all the replies.
Your missing the point "dag777".
Complaining on a thread that has nothing to do with your issue, pisses people off.
If you started a new thread an titled it something like
"Why I hate big business"
because they're ALL big F**kin' liar's!
We'd be with you.

Get it now?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a good machine for doing some Mac-only work. Not everybody needs a "full" whiz-bang computer. OS X, some decent RAM and CPU, and a couple of apps are all I care for. (DVD Studio Pro, for example.)

Maybe some testing.

What concerns me about these new models are the power supplies. That just doesn't strike me as an upgrade.
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