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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is just for information and observation, I am not looking to get into a stone throwing contest. I have a refurb. 2.26 mini with 4MB ram {matched Mushkin} and a 320, 7200 speed WD in my mini, I put it on xbench it beats almost all of them. The result is 139.53 for the top number, I would post the whole result, but I don't know how. So what I have observed is that the hard drive DOES make a big difference, none of the tested hard drives beat or come that close to the Scorpio Black. To be fair each test the numbers change a little, but not that much.Also I am running 10.6.1 clean install.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are scoring with the wd 320gb scorpio black 7200rpm. it is the fastest drive on the market. My scores were with 5400rpm drives. It does go to show that adding a good hdd is a great upgrade.

I have older scores for that drive (wd black)running leopard 10.5.6 and 10.5.8 over 150. forgot to mention my 2.66ghz shipped with samsung ram. Now the ssd scores were very good. in the 190's. but comparing ssd's to the scorpio black is unfair. if you look at the cpu scores for the new mini they are very nice. 187 for the 2.66 vs 142 for the 2.0. that is a 31.7 percent improvement.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is 2009 march 2.0Ghz model with the ssd in the usb case (blue scores only)


http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402352

the blue line score for the same ssd in the same external enclosure is 120.77 with 142.7 for the cpu score. disk test 58.04 that is with the 2.0ghz mini.


this is the 2009 oct 2.66ghz model with the ssd in the usb case (blue scores only)


http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402366

the blue line is the ssd in a thermaltake usb enclosure score is 134.51 for the 2.66ghz mini with 187 for the cpu score disk test 54.92. with the 2.66Ghz cpu



so the overall score jumped 120.77 to 134.51 the cpu score jumped 142.7 to 187 the disk test dropped from 58.04 to 54.92 with the new 2.66ghz mini. it is very interesting to see that the new mini did not improve the usb external disk speed. I am going to test this with a fw800 osx of snow leopard.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil, just wanted to say that I would not have what I do if it were not for all the posting and testing that you do!! My CPU score is 157.79 like I said I would post it all but I don't know how. My objective was just to show that a good fast hard drive, plays into these tests and will help all around computing. I would imagine for intensive tasks the processor comes more into play. I will not go there because I do NOT have that kind of knowledge.
PS, An honorable mention for those big eyes of Danny!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

philiparcario wrote:
... I am going to test this with a fw800 osx of snow leopard.



Yeah now this is was a major key for me to upgrade from 2007 Mac mini to Early 2009 Mac mini. I have been running movies and music from iTunes, iMovie HD editing and clips from my Western Digital 2TB Studio II External Hard Drives by Firewire 800. I really expect to have better results. In Activity Monitor I hardly see CPU usage from using Firewire 800 the only thing that makes the CPU spike is using a USB 2.0 External Hard Drive. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted new scores today


http://www.123macmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25186

i compare fw800 to fw800 and usb to usb on the 2.0 and the 2.66

No question the 2.66Ghz does help if you have a large external fw800. right now I am writing this with the 2.66ghz and the seagate fw800 1.5tb drive. it is nice fast. the internal ssd is really fast. but the seagate hangs in there.

I kind of ran out of tests for now. I need to get the mini server, my rma'd 4gb sticks of ram(long story) and the external dvd player, to run more tests. also my 1tb 2.5inch hdds are delayed yet again. I have a feeling they are not going well for WD. I may just stick with the 750gb hdd's they are a known factor. they fit and they work.

I may buy another ssd and try a raid setup with the server.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shito wrote:
Heh, I agree 'getting the legit top' is some kind of mental pleasure I can't really deny. As a matter of fact, I'm struggling to convince myself the top processor BTO option is not worth the money. Sad

Neverless, please take a look at these datas:

Mac mini March09 - 4GB ram, 2.0GHz, OSX 6.1 - Xbench by Phil:
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402333
Result: 109.92

Mac mini March9 - 2GB ram, 2.0GHz, OSX 6.1 - Xbench by mac-remi
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc1=400408
Result: 110.44

Mac mini Oct9 - 4GB ram, 2.53GHz, OSX 6.1 - Xbench by saul
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=400421
Result: 120.20

Mac mini Oct9 - 4GB ram, 2.66GHz, OSX 6.1 - Xbench by Phil
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402377
Result 137.77

Please notice I picked up four systems with the very same RAM and OSX update for a most fair comparison.

I'm really amazed now. Apparently, there's more of a result bump from 2.53GHz to 2.66GHz than from 2.0GHz to 2.53GHz.

In fact, both 2.0GHz machines scored around 110, the 2.53 machine scored around 120 (was quite lower before the OSX 6.1 update, also! Before the update scored just arounf 113, almost the same than the 2.0GHz machines!), while the 2.66 machine scored almost at 140 (was just slightly lower before the OSX 6.1 update).

Another funny thing: surprisingly enough, while both saul's 2.53GHz mini and Phil 2.66Ghz mini shipped with the stock 320GB HD, Saul's has an Hitachi drive, Phil's has a Fujitsu drive. Also please notice the drive in Saul's is the very same in mac-remi's March2009 2.0GHz mini.

May be the case of the HD shipped with the 2.66 CPU BTO upgrade being faster or anyway better performing than the other, or possibly just being better performing with that one processor, thus being shipped by Apple only with CPU BTO topped machines? This is very strange to me!

Anyway, as I look at this situation, the very slight bump from the older generation 2.0GHz mini to the current generation 2.53GHz mini is disappointing to me. On the contrary, the big result leap introduced with the 2.66GHz topped machine is amazing.

I wonder now what kind/brand of 500GB would be shipped with any 2.53GHz mini and 2.66GHz mini, since the stock 320GB HDs paired with the two processors have been proved to be different.

What do you think?


Bump for new page.

I still think the most interesting thing is trying to figure out what's the best value for performance in the Apple offered deals with the new gen of minis. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well here's a 2GHz Core Duo 2 Mac mini with 320GB HD from Early 2009 release.

Mac mini with Mac OS X 10.6.1
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402653

Test using 2TB WD My Book Studio II
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402655
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip, your link doesn't match the score for Saul's test. Summary:

Mac mini March09 - 4GB ram, 2.0GHz, OSX 6.1 TOSHIBA - Xbench by Phil:
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402333
Result: 109.92

Mac mini March9 - 2GB ram, 2.0GHz, OSX 6.1 Hitachi - Xbench by mac-remi
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc1=400408
Result: 110.44

Mac mini Oct9 - 4GB ram, 2.53GHz, OSX 6.1 Hitachi - Xbench by saul
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=400421
Result: 113.85

Mac mini Oct9 - 4GB ram, 2.66GHz, OSX 6.1 FUJITSU - Xbench by Phil
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402377
Result 137.77


Mac mini March9 - 2GHz Core Duo 2 Mac mini Hitachi - Xbench by LE Studios
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402653
Result 102.51


Mac mini March9 - Test using 2TB WD My Book Studio II- Xbench by LE Studios
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402377
Result 123.61
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah it loaded weird I don't know how to fix it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also was researching the Super Talent/Toshiba's 512GB SSD FTM12DX25T with a 230MBps Read and a 180MBps Write. This is is using Toshiba 43-nanometer chips, 128MB Cache but what caught my attention is the height is 9.5mm! The other thing caught my attention is the price $1649. I know this may sound absurd to some but yes you can put this in a Mac mini and two in the Mac mini Server. I rather put it in a 17" MacBook Pro with 3.06GHz Core Duo 2 with 6MB Cache where it really counts for mobility. I'm sorry it kinda hard to express enthusiasm for a souped up Mac mini anymore now with the New iMacs with i5 and i7 Quad processors 2.66GHz and 2.8GHz with 8MB Level 3 Cache that can have up to a WD "Black Edition" 2TB 7200RPM with 64MB Cache and up to 16GB DDR3 compared to a New Mac mini Core Duo 2 with 3MB Cache ranging from 2.26GHz to 2.66GHz with a maximum capability of 8GB DDR3 and 500GB HD. Getting these souped up puts it in iMac pricing category. Honestly the 2.53GHz Core Duo 2 Mac mini with 320GB for $799 is really fine for most needs. It's good as a starter Mac then iMac but if your needs get heavier than that then there's the Mac Pro and soon with Intel "Gulfton" that with have 6-Cores and Dual 6-Cores. I'm really leaning towards the iMac i7 2.8GHz Quad with 16GB and 2TB, and buy two 4TB WD My Book Studio II. I'm more concern with not using these as a HTPC but as a 1080p/720p video editing. After dealing with processor limitations with VLC and Plex in increasing resolution on a 2GHz Core Duo 2 Early 2009 Mac mini. I'm more concerned with lets say I take the 1080p/30fps video from a Canon EOS 5D Mark II and Final Cut Studio and yes I'm feeling that even with a 2.66GHz Core Duo 2 I might hit a gate limit especially with 3MB Cache. Playing 1080p at either 24fps or 30fps well as 720p/60fps from the Canon EOS 1D Mark IV is fine with 2.53GHz. In the long run what good else is the New Mac minis is for? I hate to say it like this getting excited for the New Mac minis is like people with erectile disfunction getting excited for latest iteration of Viagra. I'm not trying to insult the Mac mini Community but why spend over $799 on a 2.53GHz Core Duo 2, 4GB DDR3 and 320GB Hard Drive and how can you justify the Mac mini Server 2.53GHz Core Duo 2 with two 500GB in Raid-0 for $999? I guess when I got the 2007 Mac mini my goal way to show the world what I can do with a little or nothing and even upgrading to the Early 2009 Mac mini with a 24" LED Cinema Display. Now looking at additional software purchase where Final Cut Studio, Logic Studio and Aperture together will cost more the computer to run it on plus not fully utilizing them. The 2009 Mac minis is not booting to 64-bit plus Apple is planning on 64-bit enhancements on these programs between 1st and 2nd Quarter of 2010. I guess I'm saying that my needs have outgrown the Mac mini.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone can buy an all in one computer. Apple's iMacs are soon to be flooded with all in one PC's no doubt many with quad core and such. It never was about how much computing power you can put on your desktop, for me it was always about the computing power you can stuff into the smallest box possible. Long live the Mac Mini!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MacDSmith2 wrote:
Anyone can buy an all in one computer. Apple's iMacs are soon to be flooded with all in one PC's no doubt many with quad core and such. It never was about how much computing power you can put on your desktop, for me it was always about the computing power you can stuff into the smallest box possible. Long live the Mac Mini!


Yeah okay but really its Mac OS X. It works and reliable very more than Windows even Windows 7. I'm staying Macs that's for sure! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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200 in an enclosure, but a 10 dollar paypal pay back. so 190 and a 5 percent bing dot com so maybe 180. but once you pull the drive you lose warranty.


How do you get the bing discount? I have a bing login? But I don't see how you use it on JR
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go to bing ,com look middle left column click on shopping


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