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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From memory the last ATA standard around that time was 133MB/s but the interface is really fairly irrelevant. What's more important is the speed of the actual drive.

Considering they're both 5400RPM it doesn't bode well... But I imagine the current drive has a much higher platter density, & the cache helps, so there may well be a marked difference.

I'd actually like to see some hard drive benchmarks focused the latest MM. Does anyone know if some have already been done?
But I'm more interested in the 2.66 CPU L2 cache! Laughing

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Leander wrote:
what sort of hard drives are in these new minis (the lowest spec'd one really)

ive got an old g4 that has an ata drive, 5400rpm... and its sloooooooooooow.

these new ones any faster?



1st you G4 with a ATA sounds like either 66MBps or it maybe at most 100MBps. 2nd the New Mac mini comes with SATA II 300MBps and these hardrives ALL have 8MB Cache and spins 5400RPM so to answer your question these New Mac mini blow your G4 out the water! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my 2.66Ghz is on the truck for delivery. give it a few hours I will start posting info
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

philiparcario wrote:
my 2.66Ghz is on the truck for delivery. give it a few hours I will start posting info


Seen your posts on your Mac mini delivered today with a 3MB Cache on a 2.66GHz Core Duo 2 on a Mac mini is not surprising. Apple really don't want the Mac mini line to have anything greater than 3MB Cache and refuse to announced that it has 8GB DDR3 Maximum memory capability they fear it would cannibalize it sales on other Mac. I'm actually thinking of Mac mini Server because it has two hard drives and the way iFixit teardown looks like its much easier to replace the drives. I would rather get a external SuperDrive burner and upgrade memory to 8GB. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah I'm kinda wishing I got the server now but it was heaps expensive...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you post your results in here Phillip?
Thanks Laughing

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Seen your posts on your Mac mini delivered today with a 3MB Cache on a 2.66GHz Core Duo 2 on a Mac mini is not surprising.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, thanks to Phil we now know there's probably no real point in getting the (quite expensive) BTO top processor.

I'm still wondering about the 360GB vs 500GB hd though. According to what Phil once said, 500GB drives should be faster, being composed of two plasters.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jalyst wrote:
yeah I'm kinda wishing I got the server now but it was heaps expensive...


Yeah I'm thinking of taking my Snow Leopard do a clean install on the Mac mini Server. I still would format the two 500GB Hard Drives in Raid-0. The 2.53GHz Core Duo 2 with 3MB Cache is enough for me long as it get me over the 5GHz Total Processing mark where I been 4GHz since February 2008 with the 2007 Mac mini and now the Spring 2009 Mac mini. The downside I'm facing is I paid $900 for this in March now it's really worth $600 or less. Just why they couldn't release this Mac mini line in March or better yet made the top $799 a 2.26GHz Core Duo 2 with 4GB DDR3 the top model for March release? Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shito wrote:
Well, thanks to Phil we now know there's probably no real point in getting the (quite expensive) BTO top processor.

I'm still wondering about the 320GB vs 500GB hd though. According to what Phil once said, 500GB drives should be faster, being composed of two platers.



Well I have a lot of posting to do. Looks to me the the 2.66Ghz with the corsair x64 is quicker then the 2.26ghz i had with the intel x25-e. I really need to load the ssd with just leopard to compare. I got 215 on xbench with the 2.26ghz March 2009 model intel ssd and leopard..

I get the feeling buying the 2.53Ghz for 800 and not spending the 150 for the 2.66Ghz upgrade is the way to go. use the 150 to get a better hdd. I have a lot of tests to go i need to wait for the server. I want to know if I can just swap it with the 2.66Ghz to get a quicker server. i want to know if it will fit a pair of 750gb drives(12.5mm). it would make a good server. if I did a raid based on a pair of 750gb hdd's I also may grab two 320gb scorpio black drives down the road to test as a fast raid.


right down I am waiting for parts and the server so no more xbench scores for now.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shito wrote:
Well, thanks to Phil we now know there's probably no real point in getting the (quite expensive) BTO top processor.

I'm still wondering about the 320GB vs 500GB hd though. According to what Phil once said, 500GB drives should be faster, being composed of two platers.



Well I have a lot of posting to do. Looks to me the the 2.66Ghz with the corsair x64 is quicker then the 2.26ghz i had with the intel x25-e. I really need to load the ssd with just leopard to compare. I got 215 on xbench with the 2.26ghz March 2009 model intel ssd and leopard..

I get the feeling buying the 2.53Ghz for 800 and not spending the 150 for the 2.66Ghz upgrade is the way to go. use the 150 to get a better hdd. I have a lot of tests to go i need to wait for the server. I want to know if I can just swap it with the 2.66Ghz to get a quicker server. i want to know if it will fit a pair of 750gb drives(12.5mm). it would make a good server. if I did a raid based on a pair of 750gb hdd's I also may grab two 320gb scorpio black drives down the road to test as a fast raid.


right down I am waiting for parts and the server so no more xbench scores for now.


I doubt the two 12.5mm 750GB are going to fit in the Mac mini Server but you can buy two WD 640GB HD that are 5400RPM, 8MB Cache well as 9.5mm in height, and they are $169.99 each. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a pair of toshiba 640gb i know they fit. I have to wait on the server to see if the 750gb 's i have fit.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shito wrote:
Well, thanks to Phil we now know there's probably no real point in getting the (quite expensive) BTO top processor.


I'm still going with the 2.66 GHz top end model with the 500 GB HDD option. It's worth it to me. I knew they wouldn't put the 6 MB cache in the machine; too expensive.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, I agree 'getting the legit top' is some kind of mental pleasure I can't really deny. As a matter of fact, I'm struggling to convince myself the top processor BTO option is not worth the money. Sad

Neverless, please take a look at these datas:

Mac mini March09 - 4GB ram, 2.0GHz, OSX 6.1 - Xbench by Phil:
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402333
Result: 109.92

Mac mini March9 - 2GB ram, 2.0GHz, OSX 6.1 - Xbench by mac-remi
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc1=400408
Result: 110.44

Mac mini Oct9 - 4GB ram, 2.53GHz, OSX 6.1 - Xbench by saul
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=400421
Result: 120.20

Mac mini Oct9 - 4GB ram, 2.66GHz, OSX 6.1 - Xbench by Phil
http://db.xbench.com/merge.xhtml?doc2=402377
Result 137.77

Please notice I picked up four systems with the very same RAM and OSX update for a most fair comparison.

I'm really amazed now. Apparently, there's more of a result bump from 2.53GHz to 2.66GHz than from 2.0GHz to 2.53GHz.

In fact, both 2.0GHz machines scored around 110, the 2.53 machine scored around 120 (was quite lower before the OSX 6.1 update, also! Before the update scored just arounf 113, almost the same than the 2.0GHz machines!), while the 2.66 machine scored almost at 140 (was just slightly lower before the OSX 6.1 update).

Another funny thing: surprisingly enough, while both saul's 2.53GHz mini and Phil 2.66Ghz mini shipped with the stock 320GB HD, Saul's has an Hitachi drive, Phil's has a Fujitsu drive. Also please notice the drive in Saul's is the very same in mac-remi's March2009 2.0GHz mini.

May be the case of the HD shipped with the 2.66 CPU BTO upgrade being faster or anyway better performing than the other, or possibly just being better performing with that one processor, thus being shipped by Apple only with CPU BTO topped machines? This is very strange to me!

Anyway, as I look at this situation, the very slight bump from the older generation 2.0GHz mini to the current generation 2.53GHz mini is disappointing to me. On the contrary, the big result leap introduced with the 2.66GHz topped machine is amazing.

I wonder now what kind/brand of 500GB would be shipped with any 2.53GHz mini and 2.66GHz mini, since the stock 320GB HDs paired with the two processors have been proved to be different.

What do you think?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That cant be right, if everything is equal cept for clock-speed...
Then a jump from 2 to 2.53 should show more improvement than a jump from 2.53 to 2.66.

There must be something wrong with the benching software, have your brought it up with the devs?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jalyst wrote:
That cant be right, if everything is equal cept for clock-speed...
Then a jump from 2 to 2.53 should show more improvement than a jump from 2.53 to 2.66.

There must be something wrong with the benching software, have your brought it up with the devs?


I edited my post to introduce a quite odd stock HD discrepancy...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That'd have to account for it IMO Laughing
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