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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:13 pm    Post subject: A 7200rpm 2.5" HD Is Out Now.... Reply with quote

So, if anyone gives this HD a try, be kind enough to do a couple of XBench runs and post the results for all to see here. I'm much more interested in this upgrade than any other. Running with a firewire as the startup disc does have it's drawbacks, I'm finding out. Anyhow, here's the new HD from Seagate:

http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1081,669,00.html
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to have that drive, but man it's expensive. I bet the XBench scores are on par with the7K60.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, they announced these for availability back in May/June but so far they've been delayed. I see that they seem to be showing up in very limited quantities with a few retailers now. Hitachi also announced the 7k100 100gb drive which Dell is already shipping in at least one of their higher-end laptops. From what I've seen the Hitachis will be priced a little lower than the Seagates.
As soon as they are readily available I do plan on installing one of the 7200rpm drives.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the perpendicular storage drive or am I thinking of something else? I would love a 7200rpm 120Gb drive, which wouldn't be a problem using perpendicular storage. $310 is a lot to spend on a hard drive. At least it's come down from $330, so that's an improvement.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this the perpendicular storage drive or am I thinking of something else? I would love a 7200rpm 120Gb drive, which wouldn't be a problem using perpendicular storage. $310 is a lot to spend on a hard drive. At least it's come down from $330, so that's an improvement.


No. These are not the perpendicular storage. I believe those are due out early-to-mid 2006. They sound promising. Actually, the price on the Seagate 120gb 5400rpm isn't too bad if you want to compromise speed for storage a little bit.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had IBM/Hitachi drives in the past, and had bad experiences with all of them. The quality is suspect. Seagate is another matter. Over the years, as my "brand x" HD's failed, I took a chance and replaced them with Seagates, and they're all still running. I have four of them now. I leave them on all the time, no sleeps, or off cycles, the same as I treated the IBM drives, and they've never failed. So, whenever it comes time to buy another one, my first choice is always Seagate.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've had IBM/Hitachi drives in the past, and had bad experiences with all of them. The quality is suspect. Seagate is another matter.


I can relate to that. We had bought a whole bunch of IBM Deskstar 3.5" drives and they all started failing one by one. We started calling them Deathstars.

I've also had very good luck with Seagate, and they seem to be the quietest drives in most cases too.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seagates have always been great performers for me as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is anyone going to try this upgrade? I'm going to do it an a month or two, after I move, but I'm going to wait until I see some benchmarks before. Here's a quote from barefeats to whet your appetites:



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We'll be posting a report soon on the new 7200rpm 100GB 2.5 inch drive from Seagate (Momentus 7200.1) -- It's the fastest 2.5 inch drive we've ever tested. It will be the perfect upgrade for your PowerBook.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So is anyone going to try this upgrade?


I am. But not immediately. For most things my current drive is sufficient so I'm not feeling hard-pressed.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cubist wrote:
So is anyone going to try this upgrade? I'm going to do it an a month or two, after I move, but I'm going to wait until I see some benchmarks before. Here's a quote from barefeats to whet your appetites:

What I'll be curious to see is how often it will cause the fan in the mac mini to start up.

I've noticed with my stock 80gb 4200rpm drive that the fan tends to kick in more when the drive is being written to. Would a faster drive generate more heat and cause the fan to run longer?

I would love to upgrade my internal drive and get an external drive for the mini (250gb are around $180 for one with firewire), but a DVD-R drive is more of a priority. Then an external (more size for less money)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:07 pm    Post subject: external hd Reply with quote

i am booting mac mini off la cie mini 250 external hard drive. seems to work great so far. others have stated drawbacks to booting off firewire hd. what are these drawbacks? let me know. thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, probably the biggest drawback is doing an OS X software update, and having the Mini not be able to recognize which is the correct start-up disc when the system is rebooted. It just hangs on the gray screen, until you shut the Mini down manually, then while it's off, turn off your external drive and turn it back on. Then restart your Mini. When even that won't work, you have to disconnect the external drives, boot to the Mini's HD, reconnect the externals, then, re-choose the start-up disc.


Aside from that, I use Firewire for my external optical drives, as well as TV in the future. There's only so much bandwidth there, and I look forward to having a Mac running on an internal HD.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cubist wrote:
For me, probably the biggest drawback is doing an OS X software update, and having the Mini not be able to recognize which is the correct start-up disc when the system is rebooted. It just hangs on the gray screen, until you shut the Mini down manually, then while it's off, turn off your external drive and turn it back on. Then restart your Mini. When even that won't work, you have to disconnect the external drives, boot to the Mini's HD, reconnect the externals, then, re-choose the start-up disc.


I'm sorry you're having this problem, which must be very frustrating, but it's definitely atypical. Perhaps it's related to your enclosure? Some enclosure's chipsets are more compatible and reliable than others.

I've booted off an external FireWire drive through several major and minor software updates and have experienced no problems.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps those of you who use the special mini-type hd enclosures aren't experiencing this. My main external enclosure is a standard affair.

I'm as taken as the rest of you are with the mini-type enclosures, but I see my mini as a stepping stone to a more powerful intel based Mac, assuming that they come out in the next two years. I don't want to spend a lot on mini specific accesories only to be faced with having to use them with a computer that they are unlikely to "match". My mini will eventually become an entertainment server of some kind, at least with my MP3's if nothing else.

I'm a CubeOwner actually, and the Mini was for me the best solution to the question of whether or not to continue upgrading the Cube. The Mini is cheaper than the price of many of the more worthwhile CPU upgrades, and it brings with it many other things that would cost me even more to fix on my Cube, such as a new optical drive, great airport reception, USB 2.0, working firewire, and dedicated audio out. I like the Mini, but I very much look forward to a much more powerful Mac in my future.
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