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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: What would it take for you to switch to Linux? Reply with quote

JohnnyBoy wrote:
What about everyone else? What stops you from switching to Linux?

Nothing. I use Linux for everything that I do. I bought a Mini because it's a great-looking, great-value Linux box. I tried OSX when I bought my mini and hated it - I found it unintuitive to use, hard to configure, and very awkward for software installation. Finder is a pig; the Dock is a usability disaster; it took me weeks to discover Expose, and OS X's window management is lousy. Give me my beautiful Gnome desktop with Compiz Fusion any day.

Familiarity's the thing. If I'd started with OS X, my frustration would probably have been with Linux and not the other way around.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: What would it take for you to switch to Linux? Reply with quote

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Familiarity's the thing. If I'd started with OS X, my frustration would probably have been with Linux and not the other way around.


Exactly.

In which case I'll take your comments about OS-X with a pinch of salt. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonny-jones, do you run Linux on the mini as a single or dual boot, or do you use virtualization software? I wondered whether Linux could be run on an Intel mac as a single boot (not that I would do this, but just curious).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jonny-jones, do you run Linux on the mini as a single or dual boot, or do you use virtualization software? I wondered whether Linux could be run on an Intel mac as a single boot (not that I would do this, but just curious).
I use dual boot, but I'm pretty certain that single boot would work. I mainly kept OS X in case I ever need a firmware upgrade, but having multiple operating systems in the house does appeal to the the geek within. Even though I hardly ever use anything aprt from Ubuntu.

And Aquafire, you can put the salt back in the cellar. I'm completely serious in my views on OS X - I believe that it's strongly compromised by Apple's desire to put form before function.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonny.jones wrote:
And Aquafire, you can put the salt back in the cellar. I'm completely serious in my views on OS X - I believe that it's strongly compromised by Apple's desire to put form before function.


While I agree that Apple places a high value on form and look with their products it is in their best interest to do so. If folks remember back to the Apple sans Jobs they were about to go out of business. I think that Apple is trying to balance that form and function to entice their customers.

It is also my opinion that Apple would/will be as bad or worse than MS once they obtain more market share. Sun Microsystems wanted to be the cross platform MS with Java, which completely screwed a good idea. Once they ran into financial trouble and saw that Java was in danger of going the way of the dodo they open source it. I guess that was one of my motivations long ago for Linux is that I distrust large organizations. I'm just a populist.

Just think about how many people started using UNIX when they got a Mac that would never have done such a thing?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonny.jones wrote:
And Aquafire, you can put the salt back in the cellar. I'm completely serious in my views on OS X - I believe that it's strongly compromised by Apple's desire to put form before function.


Johnny Jones,

Let's face it.

In the end, all developers & designers; regardless of their field, have only three models to choose from when it comes to creating any sort of product.

Model (1) Form follows Function

Model (2) Function follows Form

Model (3) Function + Form compromise.

To the extent that they follow one or the other, or attempt a combination of the two, is as much a reflection of company policy, which in turn is shaped by past, present & future public expectations.

OS-X "Human Interface Guidelines"

To the extent that this leads to "compromise" (as in straight~jacketing the future direction of the system) ...?

Well, like all human endeavours, compromise is often a good thing. It's what we settle for, because to push for one or the other (Form Vs Function), is to invite the sort of Totalitarianism that invariably crushes development...

Torvalds accuses Gnome developers of being Interface Nazis

So from my perspective, it's not just OS-X that exhibits compromise..

I also doubt you can make the argument stick...that Mac's OS-X is somehow quantifiably more compromised in a negative sense, than any other OS out there..

And last but not least..

No Operating System is so perfect that it can't learn (compromise?) in order to accomodate new ways of being in the world...

Nine Things KDE should learn from OS-X

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah, so it sounds like you're looking for a turnkey solution for Linux on an Intel Mac, jb. I see what you mean now.

Well it seems it is possible to install linux without OS X, Bootcamp or any other type of hack.
Last night I downloaded the latest Ubuntu (Hardy Heron) burned a CD, stuck it in my mini, rebooted with the C key down and up comes Ubuntu install screen.
I let it install with all it's defaults including reformatting the total drive, and it boots and runs great, who'd a thought?
So at the moment I have a fully functional linux-only mac-mini.
The 1 problem I am having is with my printer, which is networked to my AEBS, other then that everything else works great.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jb wrote:
The 1 problem I am having is with my printer, which is networked to my AEBS, other then that everything else works great.

jb.


Search the Ubuntu forums, I had found a really good CUPS tutorial where you set it up using your browser and it worked for me. I print wirelessly via AE as well. . .
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about your wireless, JB = did it work right away?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about your wireless, JB = did it work right away?

Everything worked fine, except for the network printer problem.
Wireless and ethernet both came up on bootup, no-problem.
Kind of surprised me to tell the truth.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jb, are you finding Hardy pretty bug-free at this point? (The final release is due out soon.) If you used an earlier version of Ubuntu, is there anything you notice that is different?
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