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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:53 am    Post subject: The OS Wars Reply with quote

I was reading this article on the battle of today's OSes, since all run on Intel hardware. Overall, it is a pretty good article discussing which one may be the best OS for newbies and semi newbies.

It compared Windows Vista, OS X Leopard & Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon 7.10. I did find some flaws with some of the author's judgement, meaning I agreed and disagreed with it.

What do you think? You may be surprise by the winner, or maybe not!

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2273486,00.asp
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: The OS Wars Reply with quote

A pretty good read.

I would rate them in this order:

1. Leopard = Best for daily computing.
2. Ubuntu = Really growing on me. It also brings out more of the nerd in me.
3. XP = Mostly for gaming.
4. Vista = A worse disaster than Windows ME!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about Tiger Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Cypher"]what about Tiger Razz[/quote]
1. Tiger = I still think it runs better than Leopard.
2. Leopard
3. Ubuntu
4. XP
5. Vista

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Ben_tex"]
1. Tiger = I still think it runs better than Leopard.
2. Leopard
3. Ubuntu
4. XP
5. Vista

Wink[/quote]
I agree tiger is mores stable and has less "quirks" than leopard but when i used tiger the other day (after using leopard for the last 4 months) it looked, dare I say it, a bit old school.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote][i]With Apple, users pay every year (or so) to get a major upgrade. Microsoft provides its major Windows upgrades, called Service Packs, free of charge. Paying more for Mac OS upgrades is a bit galling when you've already paid a premium for the hardware[/i].[/quote]

Well that is not right for starters... He clearly isn't a Mac user. Mac users wouldn't make such a basic mistake...

[quote][i]Until Ubuntu can do away with the terminal for all but the most geeky uses (as the Unix-based Mac OS does), it will never become an OS for the masses.[/i][/quote] Fully agree. This is [u]the[/u] MAJOR sticking point for Linux.

The very fact that there is a plethora of semi~text based installation systems, means that Linux Distros are lagging 20 years behind.

And as for expecting Windows users to hang on to their XP Systems till 2014...

By comparison.

Could you imagine Jobs, expecting Mac users to stick with Mac OS 7.6 (which was released in 1997) and to keep using it, until 2011?

Aquafire

PS : This last comparison is interesting in another way, because it shows very clearly how far the Mac OS system has developed, while the Microsoft OS effectively stopped innovating a long time ago...

(Vista is more of the same olde so and so...)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

War? What war? OS X is the winner whether you choose to use Tiger or Leopard, IMHO. As soon as I can, I'm going to get a MacBook Pro and rid my home of that demon OS peddled by Microsoft! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Poison Apple"]I'm going to . . . rid my home of that demon OS peddled by Microsoft! Twisted Evil[/quote]
Just did that! The last Dell is out the door! 100% Mac here! I sleep so much better now. . . weird. . . huh?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]The very fact that there is a plethora of semi~text based installation systems, means that Linux Distros are lagging 20 years behind. [/quote]
It is somewhat true but most of the major distros that is targeting new users does not use a text based installer. Even Debian has a gui installer now! Very Happy

The advantage of Windows & Mac computers are they come preinstalled when buying the computer...but yeah I would rate OS X #1.

Also it seems the author make it look as if Ubuntu is Linux.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="ghostdawg"]
It is somewhat true but most of the major distros that is targeting new users does not use a text based installer. Even Debian has a gui installer now! [/quote]

Ghosty,

He wasn't just talking about what manner Linux uses to install to the Hard-Drive.

What both he (and I) have issue with, is the arcane system of "APT-Get-Instal" etc proceedures that are still used for installing [b]extra Linux software[/b], and how its often tied to repositories that only work within specific Linux family groups.

That's what I was referring to, when I said semi-text.

Those APT sytems etc, all require a fair amount of 'Command line' work as well as a bit of Broadband grunt.

Fact is, Linux software install proceedures are still no way as easy to use as those of OS-X and even of Windows.

When linux comes up with an intuitive system that allows the user to do one click or one click expansion & Drag installations like Apple's .DMG system, then Linux will well and truly have come of age...

Until then, it will remain a OS system that could easily give the two major commericial Os's a run for their money, but is hamstrung by it's insisting that all users, run with their shoe laces tied together...

Yes...I appreciate that Debian (Etch 4) has finallly seen the light re the GUI install.

Pity though, that it is offered as an 'option' in the initial install.

Re : Type in Command "instalgiu"

And as I noted before...

It still doesn't overcome the initial hurdle I am speaking of..

[quote="ghostdawg"]Also it seems the author make it look as if Ubuntu is Linux.[/quote]

You are right about people thinking that "Ubuntu" is Linux in the same way that people think MS is Windows...Rolling Eyes

But then ...Why am I not suprised... Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are absolutely correct that Linux has long ways to go catch up with OS X & to some points Windows.

[quote]What both he (and I) have issue with, is the arcane system of "APT-Get-Instal" etc proceedures that are still used for installing extra Linux software, and how its often tied to repositories that only work within specific Linux family groups. [/quote]
The 'synaptic package manager' provides a graphical user interface by using the Advanced Packaging Tool (apt) library, which, in turn, relies on dpkg for core functionality.

Synaptic is what Ubuntu uses to keep newbies from using the command line to install software. In fact most user friendly distros use it now.

[quote]Fact is, Linux software install proceedures are still no way as easy to use as those of OS-X and even of Windows. [/quote]
Seems like it is easier than both of them. Who is better at maintaining the software than the distributor? Doesn't Apple maintain it's software and MS for Windows?

Once you have your repository setup, all software is updated that's installed on the system, including 3rd party software. And you can do all of this from Synaptic.

For 3rd party apps, don't you have to hunt down them using OS X and Windows? I guess there is some sites that offer alot of programs for them but it's still a 3rd party site.

[quote]Pity though, that it is offered as an 'option' in the initial install. [/quote]
I guess it's a matter of choice for the user to decide...but Ubuntu and some others don't have the choice during first boot up, I don't think. I prefer to use alot of command line myself. Very Happy

Now when I recently upgraded from Panther to Tiger, why did it install all those language packs that I don't need by default. It knew I was in the USA! They all have their quirks.

But I'm type of person willing to try it all also. That's why I bought a Mac to be able to see for myself. Windows is my last choice of OS.

Even though Windows is #1 in userbase and easy to use and have tons of programs for it, it still sucks big time.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="ghostdawg"]
Even though Windows is #1 in userbase and easy to use and have tons of programs for it, it still sucks big time.[/quote]

Yup,

Like a cheap Vacuum cleaner that puts out more dirt than was on your floor in the first place... Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: Aquafire Reply with quote

Didn't you mention you use Granular Linux...I see on distrowatch a new preview release and it will use Enlightenment WM. I'm gonna give it a try, downloading it now...
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