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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm a student, I need portability, thus I am in the market. But if it provides less power than the cheaper Macbook, I'm going with the cheaper model as it's only slightly bigger but tons more powerful.

A few things strike me as you not being in Apple's target market.
• You're a student, and price matters to you.
• Performance matters to you.

While I don't disagree that Apple could sell a lot more of these if they had a lower cost version ($1400 would be awesome), I think they research their market carefully. They're going for the $200k/year professionals who deal with a lot of mobility, not much heavy media use, and cost is not a huge factor.

Where I really think they dropped the ball is not including an ExpressCard34 slot, as all the professionals I know use and need EDGE cards (or equivalent).


Student loans. That's how students pay for their computers. Anyhow, I was looking for a good laptop for my Digital Post Production class. Yeah, I need performance, luckily most of my apps require a cpu versus the gpu, so the normal macbook is good. But if my student loan covers enough, I'll opt for a Macbook Pro.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just want to know if the USB superdrive can be used on Mac minis. A fat buck to put DVD burning on my rev a mini? Sold american.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to see and touch it before I made up my mind, but small form factor has always cost more. Go to BestBuy and compare a 15" Sony with a smaller 13" or 12" Sony and the smaller one will cost more. Leprechauns don't work cheap to build all this small stuff! If I had the money I'd get one the moment they come out, but seeing how I don't I'll wait at least six months after the release to see if Apple pulls an iPhone price reduction. As for an EDGE card, I use Verizon's network and they offer a USB modem which I think will be better because then you can use it on just about any computer. If there's a 3G iPhone coming, then you could use it as a modem with this laptop via Bluetooth which would only increase th cool factor. Just my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The lack of a user-replaceable battery is probably the deal breaker for me. I might have been able to swing the price, but that one really bothers me.


This is something that wouldn't bother me one bit. How often do people replace their batteries in their laptops and iPods? If you have any tech abilities the battery will be user replaceable. If not you can pay a few bucks to have a tech do it for you.

Of course some people will be bothered by such a thing. The Mac mini battery isn't exactly user replaceable either, but I could have mine changed out within 5 minutes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just want to know if the USB superdrive can be used on Mac minis. A fat buck to put DVD burning on my rev a mini? Sold american.


I would bet my life that it works like any other external DVD burner.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This machine really surprised me.

After the success of the Asus Eee PC and the rumours that Apple would be bringing out a modern-day PowerBook 2400c, I had got into my head that today Apple would be unveiling an ultra-mobile PC with a 11 or 12 inch screen.

But they didn't. This was good in a way because if they had, I would have wanted one and I've only just coughed up for a new MacBook.

I suppose we'll just have to see whether the Air goes the way of the Cube and the G4 iMac (quirky design but no buyers). Or whether (as Clunk imagines) it might sway some Dell users away from the dark side - which would be rather good.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or whether (as Clunk imagines) it might sway some Dell users away from the dark side - which would be rather good.

Actually, not the Dell users, but the more high end ultramobiles. The Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, Lenovo customers. Dell just strikes me as mid to low range products. But yes, point still stands Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just want to know if the USB superdrive can be used on Mac minis. A fat buck to put DVD burning on my rev a mini? Sold american.


I would bet my life that it works like any other external DVD burner.


well yea, of corse. But I like the look of the burner they are putting out. From the website it says it only works with the macbook air, so I guess I'll wait till someone tries it out.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClunkClunk wrote:

Yes, it certainly does have low specifications. However, I think you're missing the point that certain features, like the extremely small size, LED backlight, etc., cost a lot of money to manufacture right now. In particular, having Intel make a custom processor just for this machine means that there's no real discounts for volume.

If you can deal with a larger MacBook Pro, then you're obviously not in the target market for the machine. This machine is targeted at people who need portability to the extreme, and able to sacrifice price and performance to achieve that portability.

IMHO, the Cube was a failure because it didn't offer any unique features or usability over an equally priced PowerMac G4 (or cheaper PMG4). It was still a desktop, it only was a bit quieter and took up a bit less space. You were most certainly paying for the design. The MacBook Air you're certainly paying a bit for the design, but it's offering ultra portability that no Mac currently has.

I have to at least partly disagree with you, ClunkClunk. In its time, the Cube was every bit as unique as the MacBook Air. It did offer unique "features" over a PM G4, it's much more compact and much quieter. You were paying for these features as well as its design. I was one of the people who bought the Cube, although I waited until the price dropped to $1,800. I still have that Cube and it has one important feature that the MacBook Air doesn't - upgradeability. I have upgraded almost every part of that Cube - RAM, HD, video card and processor. It's still quite usable and I'm not sorry I bought it.

I think the MacBook Air is also a niche product, and I don't think Apple will sell a lot of them at the price they're charging. But if you're interested in this, wait awhile. The price will come down and the specs will get better.

Of all the product announcements made today, this one is the least compelling for me. It's overpriced and underpowered, unless you need a lightweight laptop and use one all the time. While I'd like a light laptop, I don't use on enough to warrant getting rid of my G4 15" Al in favour of this one. Maybe when it hits rev1 or 2.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think the Cube mostly failed because if its price. I actually think the price of the MacBook Air is decent when you compare it to some of the competition out there. I just think some of the specs are too wacky to make it mainstream. Apple will probably sale a bunch of them here at the beginning, but it might be a tough sale after that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do students really have $1800 to spend on the computer these days?

Computers used to cost about $4000-5000. I'm all for Moore's Law, but if I bought a desktop for that price in 1992, with inflation I'm still willing to pay that same price now -- I just want a much much better machine for the money. (IIRC, circa 1998 people marveled at how inexpensive an $1800 desktop was!)

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scooper wrote:
The lack of a user-replaceable battery is probably the deal breaker for me. I might have been able to swing the price, but that one really bothers me.


This is something that wouldn't bother me one bit. How often do people replace their batteries in their laptops and iPods? If you have any tech abilities the battery will be user replaceable. If not you can pay a few bucks to have a tech do it for you.

I've changed my iPod battery once, and I've changed my PowerBook battery 3 times... going on 4. Lack of easily changeable battery bothers me, though I imagine it will be like changing the iPod battery... can't wait to see the disassembly of one of these on iFixIt. "a few bucks" for labor is usually double the price in addition to just the battery (cheap on eBay from China); I'm not keen on paying 3x the cost of something I can do myself.

For me, the dealbreaker on this subnotebook that I was anticipating like mad is the 2GB memory limit!!! At least it could have been upgradable (at time of purchase) to 4GB! Ideally I was hoping that with a 1.8" 4200rpm iPod Classic hard drive in it, Jobs would have pushed for 8GB of memory to mitigate any use of a swapfile. (Why OSX still uses a swapfile instead of a dedicated swap partition is a whole other discussion of hostility for the user, although the confusion over "free space" should be obvious.) Also, why no 160GB 1.8" hard drive option (like the iPod Classic)? I guess Apple wants to frame a closer comparison between the 80GB HDD and the 64GB SDD (which is cool... but per a previous thread I posted, perhaps not $1000 extra cool).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject: Apple MacBook Air SuperDrive Reply with quote

Guys, let's look at what happened today:
- new, smaller Core 2 Duo
- new MacBook Air SuperDrive (Size: 5.47 x 5.47 x 0.67 inches; 139 x 139 x 17 mm)
- Time Capsule (same size as an Apple TV, and has a 3.5" drive)

So, either the Mac mini will get bigger, like a thick Apple TV with better features than the current Mac mini (such as X3100, 3.5" drive) or it will get even smaller (say, oh, about 5.47 x 5.47 inches?) :p

Take your Mac mini and remove about 1 inch on each side... then imagine the PC makers trying to match that - again!

Mac nano, here we come?! (better register 123macnano.com right now if it's not already done!)

P.S.: this new Mac nano could be made even cheaper by not having an optical drive either, since they now have that drive in the same form factor available for sale separately! So, remove about half an inch in height from your current Mac mini too! That would be small!
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The only thing i want is the superdrive for 99.00 if it truly is a real super drive for 99.00 that burns dvd's and writes cd's i would pay 99.00 versus 300.00 for a internal solution for the macmini.
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The only thing i want is the superdrive for 99.00 if it truly is a real super drive for 99.00 that burns dvd's and writes cd's i would pay 99.00 versus 300.00 for a internal solution for the macmini.

What are you talking about? The DVR-K06 is $69 at NewEgg and is an internal Superdrive that will work fine in a Mac Mini.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DMXell wrote:
Not. Worth. $1800.

Edit: The Macbook Air will probably flop like the G4 Cube. Both are cool, but very overpriced.


Probably price will drop in a few months till 1/2 year, just like wat was done with the iPhone Wink

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