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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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yeah, maybe they'll make the 1.42 the 499 model, and the 599 would become 1.56, and the 699 also 1.56 (or somewhere in that range)


1.58 & 1.67 (based on the cpu multipliers)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hope they make the Hitachi 7k60/7k80/7k100 drives an option for the mini (those are 7200rpm 2.5" drives).


That'd be great, but those are all expensive drives. Apple should guarantee all the drives are at least 5400RPM.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If there is any video chipset update within the next month...I'll eat my hat!!


What makes you say that? Apple knows they have to make the Mac mini Core Image capable. They have to do the same with the iBook.

They knew about Core Image before the even initially release the Mac mini. I just see the Mac mini as the best platform for the first x86 rollout...so why change things now? ESPECIALLY if the reports are true that the mini is currently their 3rd best selling product (behind the iPod and iPod mini). Why bother making a change now if they are already flying off the shelves?? Wait for the Intel change and beef it up then!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What makes you say that? Apple knows they have to make the Mac mini Core Image capable. They have to do the same with the iBook.

My predictions:
1.42GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA Drive
Combo Drive
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 (64MB DDR)
$499.00

1.50GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA Drive
Combo Drive
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 (64MB DDR)
$599.00

1.50GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA Drive
Super Drive
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 (64MB DDR)
Airport Extreme/Bluetooth built-in
$699.00


1.42 and 1.50 seem unprobable. I believe maybe the 1.42 will become base, but .08 gHz doesn't seem like enough of an upgrade for $100. I'd think they'd make it in the mid to high 1.5's (1.56-1.58 ) or so.
and why use a laptop gpu? 64mb cards are small enough as it is.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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devo wrote:
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If there is any video chipset update within the next month...I'll eat my hat!!


What makes you say that? Apple knows they have to make the Mac mini Core Image capable. They have to do the same with the iBook.

They knew about Core Image before the even initially release the Mac mini. I just see the Mac mini as the best platform for the first x86 rollout...so why change things now? ESPECIALLY if the reports are true that the mini is currently their 3rd best selling product (behind the iPod and iPod mini). Why bother making a change now if they are already flying off the shelves?? Wait for the Intel change and beef it up then!


Apple can't just give up on the Mac mini and wait for x86. The Intel rollout is still too far away. They gota keep the line fresh and keep some attention on it. Who knows what the new Mac mini update will bring, even if they slap some 512MB sticks in there it keeps the Mac mini in the press. Well at least it sparks discussion. What else are we going to talk about on a Friday morning in July? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

devo wrote:
sth wrote:
I hope they make the Hitachi 7k60/7k80/7k100 drives an option for the mini (those are 7200rpm 2.5" drives).

That'd be great, but those are all expensive drives.

Maybe they'll use the 7k60 by default for the $699 model. It's not that exepensive anymore since it's on the market for about two years now.

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Apple should guarantee all the drives are at least 5400RPM.

They really should. The performance of the 4200rpm drives is unacceptable.

BTW: My guess for the cpu speed of the $699 model is 1.58ghz.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WC3_Gamer wrote:
1.42 and 1.50 seem unprobable. I believe maybe the 1.42 will become base, but .08 gHz doesn't seem like enough of an upgrade for $100. I'd think they'd make it in the mid to high 1.5's (1.56-1.58 ) or so.
and why use a laptop gpu? 64mb cards are small enough as it is.


The Mini can't support GPUs in any standard form factor. The Mini's graphics are soldered onto the board, so it's completely integrated. Mobile graphics are designed to be small enough to fit on miniPCI cards, so those work perfectly. Not only that, but these graphics cards are designed to be low-power and therefore, low heat so the Mini can handle cooling them. You will NEVER see a non-mobile graphics chipset in a Mini as long as its form factor stays similar to what it is now.

The Go fx5200 seems like a logical next step for Mini graphics. That would provide enough boost to bring the Mini into an arena where it could actually play games at decent frame rates. For my full transition to the Mac, this is what I really need. My Mini can barely handle Diablo 2 at fully setting....pathetic.

Come Christmas I may try and sell my Mini for a new upgraded one, depending.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe they'll use the 7k60 by default for the $699 model. It's not that exepensive anymore since it's on the market for about two years now.



I'll have to look around and see the price difference between the 7k60 and the POS ones they got now. I haven't looked at drive prices in a while. The last time I looked they were around $190.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

devo wrote:
sth wrote:

Maybe they'll use the 7k60 by default for the $699 model. It's not that exepensive anymore since it's on the market for about two years now.



I'll have to look around and see the price difference between the 7k60 and the POS ones they got now. I haven't looked at drive prices in a while. The last time I looked they were around $190.


The 7k60 is about $130 depending on where you get it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

devo wrote:

My predictions:
1.42GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA Drive
Combo Drive
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 (64MB DDR)
$499.00

1.50GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA Drive
Combo Drive
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 (64MB DDR)
$599.00

1.50GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA Drive
Super Drive
NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 (64MB DDR)
Airport Extreme/Bluetooth built-in
$699.00


I bet the top end will be more like 1.58GHz-1.67.GHz. The jumpers are already there. The NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200 (64MB DDR) would be great. If it's good enough for the Powerbook, it's good enough for the mini. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another option for video upgrade would be for Apple to just keep using the Ati 9200, but increase the memory to 64K. They could probably just use different VRAM chipis without any changes to the motherboard.
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Another option for video upgrade would be for Apple to just keep using the Ati 9200, but increase the memory to 64K. They could probably just use different VRAM chipis without any changes to the motherboard.


That is definitely a possibility, though who knows if they'd need to change the wiring on the motherboard to support denser chips; I doubt it though.

The question is: Why would Apple want to keep releasing a product that doesn't fully support their OS. They keep pushing all the features of Tiger, but what if you want to get a Mac for those features, but that Mac doesn't fully support all of them? (current iBook and Mini models do not support Core Image)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think the NVIDIA GeForce FX Go5200, ATI 9600 would require a bigger heat sink or fan. Do we got the room! Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Susurrus wrote:
The question is: Why would Apple want to keep releasing a product that doesn't fully support their OS. They keep pushing all the features of Tiger, but what if you want to get a Mac for those features, but that Mac doesn't fully support all of them? (current iBook and Mini models do not support Core Image)


Lack of Core Image support may be on of the limitations of a low end Mac, that or they will fix it. It depends on how much of an upgrade the new Mac mini's will be.

Hopefully, we will find out next week. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinksecret is now reporting that the $699 Mini will be Superdrive, Bluetooth, and Airport. The $599 will come with BT and Airport, but no superdrive. No word on Processor, Video, or RAM.

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0507ibook2.html
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