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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Rip DVDs into Mac? How? Why? Quality? Functionality? Reply with quote

Like most people with kids, we've had our share of DVDs that have been handled less than gently... I'd love to be able to import the DVDs into my mac, and use it to play the library of movies.

I don't want to do anything illegal, just save my DVD collection (and player) from scratches and gooey fingerprints...

I'm assuming a third-party piece of software would be required to rip the DVD.

Coiuld Front Row then be used to play the movie? (I don't have front row, so I've never used it...)

Would the quality be the same as the DVD? Close?

Could a person import ONLY the movie (and not the extra features, multiple aspect ratios, interviews, etc...)?

Any suggessions?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D) Yes to all the above. You can do this with more than enough programs though the most popular seem to be Handbrake and MacTheRipper. Google the names for the links, oh and thy're free by the way.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks... that's sort of what it looks like from the feature sets of these programs, but it's as though nobody comes out and actually says it because of the appearance of impropriety.

Now, quick question:

How much space does the average two-hour DVD movie take up? 1GB? 2GB? 5GB? How about compressing it? Is there a format (like Apple Lossless for audio) that compresses with no decrease in quality?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imported a movie the other day with mactheripper (i think it was about 90min long), the quality was about the same as the original and it was 3.8GB for the movie only. You can make it smaller if you use handbrake I think.
I think that its legal for you to rip dvd's that you own.

Hope that helps
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tiiger wrote:
Thanks... that's sort of what it looks like from the feature sets of these programs, but it's as though nobody comes out and actually says it because of the appearance of impropriety.

Now, quick question:

How much space does the average two-hour DVD movie take up? 1GB? 2GB? 5GB? How about compressing it? Is there a format (like Apple Lossless for audio) that compresses with no decrease in quality?

Thanks!


There is no way of compressing it without some sort of compromise. Currently, most average 2hr movie is about 7-8GB, without compression, the feature alone would probably about 4-5GB. If you use a program like Fast DVD Copy, you will have the option to omit certain audio tracks (like French Dolby 5.0) which could be a significant space saving.

If you don't mind compressing it, handbrake is a very intuitive app for your compression needs. As good as H.264 compression is though, you will still see pixels crawling here and there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good info...

If kept in its original, uncompressed state, would a movie's audio format remain? (5.1, etc...)

Does the mini even have the capability to output 5.1 audio? I'm doubting through its mini-jack... is there a USB audio option (Creative makes one for Windows...)

EDIT... um, nix the last question; I found another post that discusses just that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your other option (this is what I am doing) is to use Mac the Ripper and a program like Toast to actually backup your original DVD's to a backup DVD. That saves the space on your hard drive and saves the wear and tear of the original.

Of course you have to have a Superdrive, or an external DVD drive, but this is not a very expensive option if you end up needing to buy a large external hard drive to hold all your movies...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ack_mac wrote:
... this is not a very expensive option if you end up needing to buy a large external hard drive to hold all your movies...


I want to move my CD collection to a HD uncompressed and that is expensive enough. I'd hate to flip the bill for a big DVD collection.

You'd be better off buying a multi DVD changer. You'd have a better DVD player, 5.1 audio, remote etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ack_mac wrote:
Your other option (this is what I am doing) is to use Mac the Ripper and a program like Toast to actually backup your original DVD's to a backup DVD. That saves the space on your hard drive and saves the wear and tear of the original.

Of course you have to have a Superdrive, or an external DVD drive, but this is not a very expensive option if you end up needing to buy a large external hard drive to hold all your movies...

In this method, the problem still remains of fitting a DVD9 disc to a DVD5 disc. You still need to compress it to fit it on a single layer disc which the Fast DVD Copy will resolve in one step. Unless ofcouse, you want to make an uncompressed dual layer copy but with the price still pretty high for blank DL discs, I wouldn't recommend this route (as I have done in the past myself).

tiiger wrote:
Good info...

If kept in its original, uncompressed state, would a movie's audio format remain? (5.1, etc...)


Yes, you are essentially making a clone of the original, nothing will be compressed or thrown out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mainly use MacTheRipper to get my DVDs onto my HD. Then I use Handbrake to compress them, so they take up less space on my Mini's HD, plus so I can watch them on my iPod also. I also do it this way because Handbrake can take a while on the mini, this way I can keep ripping DVDs while Handbrake is working. I included some links for screen grabs of some of the movies.

From what I've heard, there is a point where it is legal to rip movies onto your computer for your own use, if you own the movies. But if you remove any of the Regional coding or the DRM on the disc, that is illegal. I'm not sure about it, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SOCOMRAIDER wrote:


From what I've heard, there is a point where it is legal to rip movies onto your computer for your own use, if you own the movies. But if you remove any of the Regional coding or the DRM on the disc, that is illegal. I'm not sure about it, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.


I wouldn't worry about it for personal use. I pretty much do the same thing with MTR and Handbrake.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it is similar with regards to music. If you own a copy of the DVD and are strictly copying it for backup purposes you should be fine..

Now if you are copying the DVD and then either giving them to people or selling them it is illegal..
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with using hand brake, is that you're now changing the movie from a VIDEO_TS file to a Quicktime file.

Has anyone found a way to get 5.1 out? As far as I knew, Quicktime can only play discrete surround, and not Dolby Digital or DTS. So if you have an audio card with 6 audio out jacks, then you can get surround out of quicktime.

I'm currently using one of M-Audio's usb to toslink adapters. Apple's DVD player dutifully passes through the digital audio signal with AC3 intact.

I'm still trying to figure out a way to compress the video and keep the surround audio.

Eventually, I think I'm just going to just keep my backups to the feature film to save space. I have a 250gb Firewire HD hooked up, and a 250gb NAS, and I'm watching my space dwindle.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing people seem to miss here is that DVDs are already compressed. It uses MPEG-2 compression with a video resolution of 720x480. The reason "encoding" and "reencoding" a DVD takes so long is that the computer must recalculate the entire video and compress it to the specified quality. The video has already lost some qualtiy from the original video used to master the DVD, so unless you use a large amount of reduction in the final size of the DVD, I wouldn't worry too much about squeezing it just a bit smaller.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tiiger wrote:

Does the mini even have the capability to output 5.1 audio?


The new intel mini does.
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