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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:25 am    Post subject: External SSD with SATA to Firewire interface? Reply with quote

Hi All,

I'm thinking of treating my new (old) Mac Mini G4 (A1103) to an external hard drive using a spare 60Gb SSD.

I've seen a SSD enclosure that has a USB 2.0 connector but also a Firewire port as well, which I'd use in preference to USB as both ports are currently in use.

Does anyone have comments about this setup? TIA! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it would be better to mount it internally, to get the full speed benefit; and avoid the speed bottleneck of USB or FW, compared to SATA?
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mooblie wrote:
Surely it would be better to mount it internally, to get the full speed benefit; and avoid the speed bottleneck of USB or FW, compared to SATA?


Yes, That was a tempting option, but I need to be able to transfer the drive between a couple of boxes, and if I can have the option to use the USB as well as FireWire that would be great.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmedia wrote:
mooblie wrote:
Surely it would be better to mount it internally, to get the full speed benefit; and avoid the speed bottleneck of USB or FW, compared to SATA?


Yes, That was a tempting option, but I need to be able to transfer the drive between a couple of boxes, and if I can have the option to use the USB as well as FireWire that would be great.


Update - I've ordered the enclosure so as soon as it arrives I'll assemble ti and report back here how it went. Watch this space ...
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:39 am    Post subject: Enclosure Link Reply with quote

Can you provide a link for the Enclosure?
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: Enclosure Link Reply with quote

billb wrote:
Can you provide a link for the Enclosure?


Sure, here at Amazon UK it's www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0037ECAOU
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:05 am    Post subject: Enclosure FW400 Reply with quote

That looks like a nice enclosure
however, its Firewire 400. You
may want to look for an enclosure
with FW800.

FW400 is sort of old technology.
FW800 will be old in a year or two.

How are you going to use the enclosure?
Using FW400 with an SSD may be a waist
of an SSD, IMHO.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Enclosure FW400 Reply with quote

billb wrote:
That looks like a nice enclosure
however, its Firewire 400. You
may want to look for an enclosure
with FW800.

FW400 is sort of old technology.
FW800 will be old in a year or two.

How are you going to use the enclosure?
Using FW400 with an SSD may be a waist
of an SSD, IMHO.


Well, it kinda fits in with the "old hardware" theme as it's being used primarily on a recently-acquired G4 (Jan 2005) Very Happy If it all goes well, I hope to invest in a new Mac Mini.

Thanks for the info though - I've been away from Macs for a few years now and am very pleased to be coming back!
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:25 am    Post subject: FW400 to Reply with quote

Its nice to have you back.
FWIW, I use FW400 Enclosures
also. Don't let me rain on your
parade. Ooh, maybe I should
write that down. I think I could
use that in a song.......cool!
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:11 am    Post subject: Re: Enclosure FW400 Reply with quote

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Well, it's being used primarily on a recently-acquired G4 (Jan 2005)
Very Happy If it all goes well, I hope to invest in a new Mac Mini.

Ok, I've been giving your situation some more thought.
Definitely pass on the FW400 and get FW800. If you
weren't interested in getting a newer Intel mini any
time soon then I would buy the cheapest Enclosure
that you like. Since you'll be getting a newer mini
FW800 is more important.

Let me explain. I was using the first generation of Intel
mini thats very similar to your mini. In order to speed it
up I maxed out the RAM and upgraded the Processor.
But I wanted it faster so I bought an external RAID-0
enclosure that worked via eSATA. I installed two 600GB
VelociRaptor 10,000 RPM Hard Drives. Only an SSD was
faster but they were small and expensive at that time so
my setup was better. It worked great. Well, I eventually
replaced it with an SSD when they got bigger and cheaper.
The SSD in easily faster than my RAID-0 setup.

So I had this 10K RAID setup sitting around, whats a guy
to do? Well, I attached it to my PPC iMac via Firewire 400
which is the fastest external connection thinking it would
outperform the internal Hard Drive like the mini. You see
my external RAID setup easily outperformed the HD in the
Intel mini so one would assume it would outperform the
HD in the PPC iMac. It didn't. The RAID setup was a lot
SLOWER than the internal HD in the iMac. I expect an SSD
in an external enclosure attached to your PPC mini via FW400
will be like watching paint dry. Sure it'll be faster than a 7200
RPM HD but it'll still be like watching paint.......well you know.

I guess the moral of the story is, buy components that will
be not just compatible with the old mini but cutting edge with
the newest mini you plan on buying. If you buy something thats
just compatible with the old mini and not cutting edge for the new
mini you'll get substandard performance when you attach it to a
newer mini.

I hope you can make some sense out of my ramblings.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Billb,

Many thanks for the valued feedback - it's good to be part of a supportive community. My hardware buying strategy is driven by need to but is also a bit restricted by cost, but, at the end of the day I have a nice, small setup here which will fulfill its role.

So, the enclosure arrived today, and I managed to squeeze the SSD drive into it: boy, was that difficult - there was literally no spare room and I think this is so that the enclosure can act as a heatsink. The 'Mini recognised it immediately and I formatted the disk in a few 10s of seconds.

I'm actually running a simple comparitive speed test with the internal HDD now and as has been suggested, the 2 might end up being about equal. What I wanted to achieve though was to use the external SDD as work disk, especially when using software such as Audacity which seems to generate 1000s of small files during the course of a project. Rather than have my main disk thrashed, I'll use the SSD instead.

Anyway, thanks once again for the info, and I can confirm that it all works!
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