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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:54 pm    Post subject: back up question Reply with quote

I was just going to get Carbonite - but noticed the stock way down - is this still a good choice or can i do it my self -
i don't know much about computers -
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbonite has been hit hard after dropping Rush as a sponsor. Obviously, this isn't users pulling out since they are locked in for a year, but their investors have punished them. I believe their stock has lost about 60% of it's value in just a couple of weeks (and still growing). Considering that the rest of the stock market has had a great couple of weeks it's an alert to me. I would be worried about their level of service and long term viability. I'd take a good look at http://mozy.com if you want an online service.

However, I just opt to have 2 drives and I rotate them out every couple of weeks and store one at my office. If my house burns down I'll only lose a couple weeks of data, at the most.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Y-Guy thanks
is it hard to do my self i have never done anything like this
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on your drive size, one good way of going about backing up things at home, and not offsite is to pick up the Western Digital Passport line of drives. Start off with one, then save up and pick up a second that you rotate off site.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:16 pm    Post subject: Back Up Reply with quote

Most of us here on 123.Mac.mini don't use an on-line
backup strategy.......or if they do they don't mention it.

If you want a simple duplicate of your information that
can be slipped into your pocket.....Y-Guy gave you the
best advice. Make sure the external HD is 7200 RPM.

If you want something a little more sophisticated, for
example, if you want to make a CLONE of your system
onto the external HD that is bootable then you not only
want 7200 RPM but you'll want Firewire 800 not just
USB. If you want the state of the art then you'll want
Thunderbolt as well as FW800 and USB.

If it doesn't need to slip into your pocket then
look at 3.5" desktop HD's. More storage bang
for the buck.

Only you know if on-line backup or external HD's
are what interest you. Give us more details about
what you want etc, and we can offer more help.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

really i just want to make sure all my stuff is backed up -- i have nothing important in the Mini - it;s more the time i spent getting all the stuff in there -- i would like to get a lot more of my CD's in I tunes -- so i can have a better pool to load my Ipods with -- and i have 100's more family photos to put in also -- the reason i was looking at Carbonite - was 2 fold 1 a safe place that fire - and theft - could not take my stuff - and 2 i really don't know much about moving things around

thanks Guys
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Carbonite Reply with quote

Using Carbonite or Time Machine probably isn't much
different in terms of needing much interaction from you.
Making a clone is a little more involved but not by much.

I think the key of your requirement is near instant "off site"
backup for safety. Because of this, Carbonite makes sense.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill
Thank --i think with Carbonite backing my stuff up - will give me peace of mind - to spend a lot more time scanning and loading CD's for Itunes--

one side question- i have 75G left on my hard drive - if i get a second hard drive - what do i need to do to get it working - and should i get it now or wait till my HD is almost full?

would the solid state external drives be a good choice ?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockysv wrote:
Bill
i have 75G left on my hard drive - if i get a second hard drive - what do i need to do to get it working -
I'm not sure what you mean by get it working.

First the Hard Disk must be able to be read and written to by your mac.
You would use "Disk Utility" in your Utilities folder located in your Applications folder.
You would use Disk Utility to Format your HD using the format, Mac OS Extended (Journaled).
Its now ready to be used by OSX.

Once thats done you would use Carbon Copy Cloner to make a bootable clone of your Internal HD
to your external HD. This creates for you an exact duplicate (a Clone) of your HD.
If your Internal HD fails (or whatever) you simply boot from your clone
and continue working as if nothing has happened.
Carbonite and Time Machine can't do that.

Rockysv wrote:
and should i get it now or wait till my HD is almost full?

Your HD should NEVER be allowed to FILL UP. Performance suffers drastically.
As your HD nears being 90% full its time to Clone it to a new bigger HD.

Rockysv wrote:
would the solid state external drives be a good choice ?

For backups? Not really. That would in my opinion be a waist of resources (money).
You would be better off buying something larger than your internal HD
that has a good reputation for reliability. My favorite HD's right now
are the Hitachi line of HD's. I've given up on Segate and WD has stumbled
recently. Are their good even great Segates and WD's.....sure!
Buy a Hitachi!!! A One or Two Terabyte 7200RPM should serve you well
for a long time. I have used six 2 Terabyte Hitachi 7200RPM HD's
for nearly the past year and a half with out any problems. They run
cool and quit. I hammer them day and night. On the other hand
I've had a couple of Segates and WD's fail in that same amount
of time. I won't be buying those two brands again.

If I haven't been clear on something just let me know.
I'll clear it up.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill
that's great -- you have been very clear- and i too think Hitachi makes a great product -- i work in Construction and run a Hitachi Excavator--they are great--

So i'll look into t Hitachi HD - and hook it up


Just one thing --after i clone the Mini's HD can i just use the external 7200 HD
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:19 am    Post subject: Boot Drive Reply with quote

Rockysv wrote:
after i clone the Mini's HD can i just use the external 7200 HD
Yes. I did for years with an older Mac mini.
The external HD outperformed the internal.
The external HD was my primary boot drive
and the Internal was my Clone.

You can set the External as your Default Boot Drive.
In the Menu Bar that runs along the top of your Desktop
Go:->System Preferences->System->Startup Disk->
Click on your External Drive, click the Lock in the lower
left and Restart. Your mini will now boot into your External
HD without you having to hold the Option Key on boot and select
it at that time as your Boot Drive, though you can use that method
(holding the option key on Boot) to override your set Boot Preferences.

Hope I'm not to confusing. Try it a few times and it'll be clear.
You can always check what Disk your Booted into by going
->About This Mac......The Panel will list the Disk your Booted into.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Boot Drive Reply with quote

billb wrote:
Rockysv wrote:
after i clone the Mini's HD can i just use the external 7200 HD
Yes. I did for years with an older Mac mini.
The external HD outperformed the internal.
The external HD was my primary boot drive
and the Internal was my Clone.

I'm confused by that, billb. Surely the external USB interface will slow the external drive right down, compared to the internal SATA interface (even if the external drive is bigger/faster)?

I have measured my drives, and found an external USB drive gives ~30-35 MB/s, whereas an internal SATA drive (same size, same rpm) gives ~45-55 MB/s.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:16 am    Post subject: External HD Reply with quote

My original External HD was attached via Firewire 400.
Not USB. The difference in speed across the board was
noticeable when comparing the 7200RPM External with
the 5400RPM Internal. I eventually used a SansDigital
Dual Bay FW External Enclosure in RAID-0 and two
600GB 10,000 RPM VelociRaptors. Then I hacked
the Internal SATA port to work with the SansDigital.
The only way to beat that was to go SSD, which is now
whats in the New mini.

What all of this taught me was that an External Hard Drive
attached via Firewire will out perform the Internal (in most
cases) if the External is a faster Disc, for example a 7200
RPM External compared to a 5400 RPM Internal.

All of this wouldn't matters if your using USB. It only works with
Firewire and SATA. I try to be clear but failed to mention I was
using Firewire and not USB, BIG DIFFERENCE.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill can you tell me what model Hitachi you like --i see they make a few-
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:14 pm    Post subject: Hitachi HD Reply with quote

Thats easy, my favorite Hitachi HD is the
least expensive one I could find with the
spec's I wanted. Doesn't matter if its a 2 1/2"
for inside your mini or a 3 1/2" for an external
enclosure. The only spec that was important to
me was a Disc Rotational Speed of 7200 RPM.
Mine are SATA II 3 Gbps. You'll want SATA III
6 Gbps.

I was never in any hurry so I watched all of the
on-line sales to get an idea on price. When Christmas
drew near the price dropped 20 to 25%. Right now
the sales on Hitachi HD's are few and far between.
If you need it soon, start watching the sales and buy
when the price seems right to you.

I have six 2TB Hitachi HD's. Paid $99.99 each, no tax
and free shipping. Its very rare for them to sell for that.
When I saw them at that price I didn't hesitate. You'll
need to develop a sense of how much you think a good
price should be and when you see that price......BUY.
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