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Affordable 4-Bay RAID-0/1/5/10 Enclosure Supports 4TB Discs
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: Atom in the Clouds Reply with quote

billb wrote:
You should do a "How To" or a Tutorial on exactly
what you are doing. Start at the assembly and walk
us all the way through to the end as well as why you
are doing it a particular way.

That would be a big help. Many of us are interested in
doing something similar. Will this be your first NAS
project or have you done others? It should be interesting.


I would like to do that. It's quite simple, though. You need 4 tings :

1) Motherboard with an Atom CPU on it : I chose http://www.intel.com/Products/Desktop/Motherboards/D510MO/D510MO-overview.htm?wapkw=(D510MO) - it's passiv cooled, så it won't make any noise. Make sure the physical size is "Mini ITX"

2) A stick of RAM : 2 GB should be enough to run Windows7

3) Harddrive : I'd take a 2 TB for now.

4) Chassis : http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod=42 (this one have a powersupply build in) Make sure the physical size is "Mini ITX"

Put the 4 things together, and install Windows. Or Linux, if you don't like Microsoft products.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:18 pm    Post subject: Mediasonic with BALLS Reply with quote

Thank you. Is their an easy way to build a multi
(6 to 10) Hard Drive USB/Firewire enclosure that
doesn't require a MB or an OS?

I'd love to build a simple enclosure that does what
my Mediasonic does but without the OS. I know you
need something to tell the HD's how to behave. I was
hopping their would be something embedded into a chip
so the OS could be avoided. Its a shame someone
doesn't make a kit. You supply the enclosure, power
supply, wires, etc. but they sell different RAID chip so you
can have a RAID setup. I Google for hours every
couple a' months and have always come up empty.

I would just like to build something like my Mediasonic
but more drives and do-it yourself inexpensiveness.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking 1+0, but since this unit doesn't do it, I will have to look elsewhere. How quiet is your Mediasonic?


billb wrote:
asmack wrote:
I'm thinking of getting this one here:

Rocstor Arcticroc 4T Raid Drive
Looks good and appears to be quiet.

DataTale 4-Bay FireWire 800, eSATA, USB RAID Enclosure

Any thoughts on this unit?
It looks good. What RAID configurations are you thinking of using?
If you think you may use RAID 10 (1+0) then that enclosure won't do.
If your just interested in the RAID config's it offers then you should be
all right.

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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 4:37 pm    Post subject: Mediasonic Sound Reply with quote

asmack wrote:
How quiet is your Mediasonic?
Quieter than a mouse. Its about seven
feet from my ear and I've never heard it. I've
set the fan to auto and don't worry about it.
The photos of it make it look UGLY but it isn't.
It looks pretty just not Mac brushed aluminum
pretty. I've grown to like it very much. It would
probably be cheaper/easier to buy one or two
more when they go on sale instead of building
one big 8-Bay enclosure. I just like the idea of
one big enclosure with all of my HD's instead
of daisy chaining several enclosures. Sooner
or latter I'll figure out how to build the enclosure
I want. Till then the Mediasonic is a very good
substitute.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... After reading these, I'm not sure I want RAID anymore:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/desktop-raid-is-a-bad-idea/116?tag=rbxccnbzd1

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/raidfail-dont-use-raid-5-on-small-arrays/483?tag=rbxccnbzd1

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/sorry-about-your-broken-raid-5/164?tag=rbxccnbzd1

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162

What I'd really like is a 4 or 5 bay unit that treats each hard drive as completely separate volumes. This way you can mix and match different hard drive sizes. If I'm not mistaken, this is called port multiplication (PM), but as far as I know, PM only works with eSATA interfaces, not FW800, with possibly one exception:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11698112&postcount=5

Anyone know of other similar enclosures that can offer PM over a FW800 interface? I looked at some Burly enclosures but they seem to only do PM over eSATA.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:21 pm    Post subject: What is PM Reply with quote

asmack wrote:
Hmm... What I'd really like is a 4 or 5 bay unit that treats each hard drive as completely separate volumes.
Thats called JBOD. Many multi HD enclosures offer that configuration.
asmack wrote:
This way you can mix and match different hard drive sizes. If I'm not mistaken, this is called port multiplication (PM),
THIS is PM.
asmack wrote:
but as far as I know, PM only works with eSATA interfaces, not FW800
Under a strict definition you would be using eSATA for PM, however,
many RAID chips in external HD enclosure can in many cases do the
same basic thing as eSATA/PM but using a connection other than eSATA
like FW400/800 or USB.


Have a look at THIS.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: What is PM Reply with quote

That SpyderHub FW/USB to eSATA Converter looks intriguing. However, it seems like it would add more wires, which is kind of what I'd like to avoid.

That DAT Optic seems to do port multiplication over FW but is expensive. I do like the trayless design, however.

Re: JBOD, why do some define it as a bunch of drives concatenated or spanned into one big single hard drive, and some define it as a bunch of drives seen as completely separate individual volumes (not to be confused with partitioning)?

Thanks for all the help.

billb wrote:
asmack wrote:
Hmm... What I'd really like is a 4 or 5 bay unit that treats each hard drive as completely separate volumes.
Thats called JBOD. Many multi HD enclosures offer that configuration.
asmack wrote:
This way you can mix and match different hard drive sizes. If I'm not mistaken, this is called port multiplication (PM),
THIS is PM.
asmack wrote:
but as far as I know, PM only works with eSATA interfaces, not FW800
Under a strict definition you would be using eSATA for PM, however,
many RAID chips in external HD enclosure can in many cases do the
same basic thing as eSATA/PM but using a connection other than eSATA
like FW400/800 or USB.


Have a look at THIS.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: What is PM/JBOD Reply with quote

asmack wrote:
Re: JBOD, why do some define it as a bunch of drives concatenated or spanned into one big single hard drive, and some define it as a bunch of drives seen as completely separate individual volumes (not to be confused with partitioning).
Most of this RAID stuff is expensive.
If you combine two or more drives together
in a single enclosure but recognized as being
less than the total number of drives then its
not JBOD. It would be some form of RAID.
If your drives are recognized as being separate
then its JBOD. The cheapest way to get what
you want is to buy separate single HD enclosures
and simply Daisy Chain them. Thats also, well, JBOD.
You can easily add more drives/enclosures as
needed. Thats what most people do.
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: What is PM/JBOD Reply with quote

Yes, that is what I am doing now. I have three 2TB LaCie externals hooked up to the Mini (USB 2.0 only, unfortunately), which are backed up regularly via bare drives (Voyager Q dock) and SuperDuper. I rotate my backups offsite to a safety deposit box and I also backup to the cloud via CrashPlan and Zenfolio (photos only). I am supplementing all this with some optical media backup of my most critical files as well.

What I'd like to do is get rid of the three externals (as well as the spaghetti mess of wires and AC adapters that accompany them) and just have one box full of easily removable drives which behaves as though they were all individual externals. This way, I can just attach the box via one single cable to the Mini (preferably FW800 because I don't want to do the eSATA hack on the Mini and I don't want a converter), and only have one AC adapter to deal with (all 3 of my LaCie's come with these wall warts which are blocking some of the outlets on my UPS).

Oh, and it has to look nice and match the aesthetics of the Mini because I'm superficial that way. Smile

Looks like OWC might be coming out with something I want. Maybe I'll wait and see what it's like (I'm not in a rush):

Quote:
Early next year we do have a new product line that will arrive offering an alternative to the QX2 which will allow independent drive mode. In the present – we could only go to 4 drives with RAID and non-RAID span in order to support eSATA. Next year will have full independent mode available on 4+ bay solutions that offer the quad interfaces including when connecting via eSATA.

These solutions will require matched drive for RAID modes... But we expect to officially support them for non-RAID modes when using non-matched drives as well.


Source: http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=11599638&postcount=74


billb wrote:
asmack wrote:
Re: JBOD, why do some define it as a bunch of drives concatenated or spanned into one big single hard drive, and some define it as a bunch of drives seen as completely separate individual volumes (not to be confused with partitioning).
Most of this RAID stuff is expensive.
If you combine two or more drives together
in a single enclosure but recognized as being
less than the total number of drives then its
not JBOD. It would be some form of RAID.
If your drives are recognized as being separate
then its JBOD. The cheapest way to get what
you want is to buy separate single HD enclosures
and simply Daisy Chain them. Thats also, well, JBOD.
You can easily add more drives/enclosures as
needed. Thats what most people do.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no the part has 1 plug for the mb and two sata slots it is for the 2009 server. the 2009 had two different connection boards. one for the server one for the normal units

https://www.applecomponents.com/items/922-8807_svctransition-board/0000002683?pn=1&cmp=0161&per_page=30Coach Purses


the above is the standard 2009 it is really a dual sata but the one is tiny and goes to the dvd player

https://www.applecomponents.com/items/922-9112_board-interconnect-dual-hard-drive/0000004317?pn=1&cmp=0161&per_page=30Movies Onlinedownload moviesdownload animation
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok Question are you going to run programs off of it???

Because there are several raid boxes that are made by third parties that are cheaper and i mean way cheaper then owc and even amazon.

Keep looking also look in firewire and usb raid controller's as well don't limit yourself.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: Mediasonic works GREAT with 3TB Disc's Reply with quote

billb wrote:

I now use the Mediasonic with four 2TB Hitachi HD's
in RAID 10 (1+0) attached via FW400 to store my
EyeTV captures and its worked wonderfully. The
OWC's are collecting dust and I'll end up using them
randomly attached via USB. How sad, the enclosures
are beautiful to look at but just don't perform.
So, if anyone is thinking of a four-bay enclosure
I highly recommend the Mediasonic.

I thought I would update this thread before we let it die.
I'm now using the Mediasonic with an Aluminum Mac mini.
See signiture. The Mediasonic hasn't skipped a beat. Its
survived several power outages and surges (now on a UPS).
It sleeps and wakes and has never caused even one second
of stress. When I said it was built like a tank apparently it is.
I have it hooked up via FW800 to the Alumini. It was the
best $119 I ever spent. It looks like it has been replaced
with a USB-3 version. I had used it with USB-2 for a period
of time to store and play my EyeTV captures and it worked
fine, so when (if) Apple adopts USB-3 you'll be all set if you
purchase the newer USB-3 version.

*UPDATE* I've learned recently that this enclosure supports
3 & 4TB Disc's. The documentation doesn't state that it does though
I'm using 4TB Hitachi 7200 RPM Disc's.......very cool!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:05 am    Post subject: Re: What is PM/JBOD Reply with quote

asmack wrote:
I have three 2TB LaCie externals hooked up to the Mini (USB 2.0 only, unfortunately), which are backed up regularly via bare drives (Voyager Q dock) and SuperDuper.
What I'd like to do is get rid of the three externals (as well as the spaghetti mess of wires and AC adapters that accompany them) and just have one box full of easily removable drives which behaves as though they were all individual externals. This way, I can just attach the box via one single cable to the Mini (preferably FW800

Hey asmack........its only been a year. Did you get anything?
Mediasonic now has an enclosure just like mine only no RAID.
It sees all of the Drives separately. Thats what your looking
for. It has USB-3 and eSATA, no Firewire though and its not
very expensive. Heres the link for the ProBox HF2-SU3S2 sold
by Medisonic.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious : how bad is the fan noise on the Mediasonic PRORAID 4 Bay, especially when idle ?
I could not find this information on Mediasonic web site, only "3 level of speed".
I presently have a Drobo Gen2, and although it is globally very quiet, the fan sometimes starts at low speed, even when the Drobo is idle.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:38 am    Post subject: Fan Noise? Reply with quote

You couldn't find it? Ten posts before yours
answers your question. I'll repeat it for you so
you won't have to count backwards.

"Quieter than a mouse, its about seven feet
from my ear and I've never heard it. I've set
the fan to auto and don't worry about it."

The fact that I've never had a Hard Drive problem
is a strong indicator for the enclosures running
cool or at least cool enough. Since I've never heard
it, I guess its also quiet enough.

Thanks for your question.
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