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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:17 am    Post subject: Dolphin File Manager on OS X or Windows XP Reply with quote

I am curious to know if anyone has tried this..

Installing the KDE Dolphin File Manager directly to their OS X or Windows XP environments.

I am not talking about installing dependent software programs to go along with it, but just the File Manager itself to keep a handle on their day to day files..



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Searching around the net, I can't find a Dolphin binary for OSX, though I could for Windows. I presume you would have to compile it to get it to run on the Mac.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Fox.

This is what I have found, but I cannot download the binaries, due to being on dial up. It would take an inordinate amount of time...

http://mac.kde.org/

It seems to me, that it is quite possible.

What I would like to do, is simply use the Dolphin File Manager for exactly that....file management.



I wonder if you'd be interested in giving it a shot...?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aqua, it may be possible to get Dolphin but it probably will have some dependencies along with it. It's probably in the kdebase or kdeutils package. There should be some place to look in the packages to find dolphin and if any dependencies.

Also check out Krusader, which is developed for kde. Not sure if it have a Mac port.

http://www.krusader.org/

Krusader is an advanced twin panel (commander style) file manager for KDE and other desktops in the *nix world, similar to Midnight or Total Commander. It provides all the file management features you could possibly want.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aqua, it looks like you can't just use Dolphin on a Mac. According to the KDE Mac site:
"You must install at least Qt, Base System and KDE Support for any of the packages to work."

This is about 300mb of files, and there is no uninstaller yet.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure Fox.

What is unclear to me is what they mean by packages ?

Packages in my mind means extra software.

My understanding is that you need all of the above if you were to install optional KDE based software.

I was thinking that Dolphin is effectively the equivalent to Finder in OS X.

It's not like you have to install Safari to be able to view folders &
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Aqua

Addendum...

Ok Found what I was looking for...

Here is a comparison from OS to OS.

Note that Dolphin is the equivalent to Finder ?



http://userbase.kde.org/Table_of_equivalent_applications

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aqua:
Note the definition of "package" from Wikipedia:
"A software package refers to computer software packaged in an archive format to be installed by a package management system or a self-sufficient installer.
Linux distributions are normally segmented into packages. Each package contains a specific application or service. Examples of packages include a library for handling the PNG image format, a collection of fonts, or a web browser."

So a package is any file that is "packaged", not just an application. I don't think that the analogy with OSX is a good one because Safari is designed to run on OSX, whereas no KDE app is designed to run directly on the OSX desktop environment without an intervening layer. Even within Linux, if you try to install rhythmbox on your KDE system, you will have to install parts of gnome to get it to work. (Because rhythmbox was designed to work with Gnome.

If I'm wrong, point me to the actual Dolphin file and I'll download it and try to install it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm probably in danger of teaching Grannie to suck eggs here, and I don't have a Mac handy to go and try this out... But is this covered by MacPorts? http://www.macports.org/

I've used this in the past, with a gui front end I don't remember the name of off the top of my head. It certainly took care of downloading and compiling the packages I was interested in using on my Mac, including any dependencies.

I have no idea whether a port of Dolphin is available through MacPorts, but might be worth a look - and also I think worth adding to the thread as a resource for others looking to easily install other popular Linux packages on a Mac?

Edit : The gui I mentioned above might well have been Porticus : http://porticus.alittledrop.com/
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aqua, Fox is correct about the definition of packages.

Here is how Debian list its Dolphin package and its dependencies to install.

http://packages.debian.org/sid/dolphin

Now to install it for Mac, I'm not sure what all it would involve.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the support guys.

Fox, Your right about packages.

I am not disputing that. What I am trying to get at, is what actually underpinnings are needed for Dolphin to work.

That second image I posted is of Dolphin working on a Mac. No doubt the underpinnings are as you say.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aquafire wrote:

That second image I posted is of Dolphin working on a Mac.


I just realised Aqua, you're not hinting that you don't like Finder with all of this are you? Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Squonk,

Re Finder,

No not at all. It's just that Dolphin would be a nice 'across all platforms' alternative.

In my situation, using Windows, Linux & OS X; it would make life easier if the same file manager were in operation across all three platforms.

Dolphin is one of those rare creatures & useful creatures, in that it is potentially usable in windows, mac & linux / unix / solaris environments. It might even be possible to get it to work with ReactOS.

http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aquafire wrote:

No not at all. It's just that Dolphin would be a nice 'across all platforms' alternative.


Fully understood, I was being rather tongue in cheek Smile

Another great example of a very useful cross platform tool that I've been making very good use of recently is TrueCrypt. I can open the encrypted area of my USB stick on Mac, Windows and Linux. Incredibly useful to have tools that work across the board.

I'm sure you'll let us know how you get on!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Squonk.

I have a sideline interest with Computer forensics. Truecrypt is very interesting to read about. But I must say...be careful.. Technically the weakness is in passing the decrypted information through ram.

Ram is volatile, but forensic scientists are developing tools that can read the magnetic traces left from the last ram activity.

Also in a more specific sense, there is some suggestion that Truecrypt leaves a telltale Entropic signature for every volume, whether decoy or real.

The jury is still out on it, but its worth keeping up to date.

http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com/2009/12/quick-and-nasty-overview-of-finding.html

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aquafire wrote:
But I must say...be careful.. Technically the weakness is in passing the decrypted information through ram.


Yes, there's no such thing as 100% secure.

My use of TrueCrypt stems from having been burgled at the start of December. My MacBook Pro was stolen and my wife's MacBook, and also a couple of USB sticks I used at work.

I don't keep anything that you would really call sensitive on my computers at all, let alone on a USB stick, however there were things like letters to friends and relatives etc which just made me feel rather "off" thinking that somebody could be reading through them.

Using an encrypted partition for that kind of thing just makes it feel to me like it's more likely that a thief who is just after things to steal and sell on won't bother trying to crack the encryption I guess. Just wipe the USB stick and flog it or use it or whatever.

Anything that is sensitive like bank details, passwords etc are only ever stored in my head.
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