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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:57 am    Post subject: Apple misses deadline for Bootcamp Reply with quote

Got this from MacLife. Ouch. But I guess it better that it's released when the bugs are ironed out.

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The rep also believes that the Boot Camp update is still undergoing tests,


http://www.maclife.com/article/news/apple_misses_deadline_windows_7_support
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They've got plenty of time.

According to stats just published on the net.

Windows 7 is stuck at 4% to 5% of all MS OS sales.

Since the beginning of December when it was at 4% to now, it has barely improved.

Even Vista outstrips it with a whopping 18%.

So why rush ?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They've got plenty of time.

According to stats just published on the net.

Windows 7 is stuck at 4% to 5% of all MS OS sales.

Since the beginning of December when it was at 4% to now, it has barely improved.

Even Vista outstrips it with a whopping 18%.

So why rush ?

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I actually wanted to like Windows 7, but man it is so annoying to use. And cluttered. Everything... the menus, folder windows, Start Menu... it's all just cluttered. The few attempts that are made to unclutter things actually make it worse to deal with. And as much as I find the Aero look very attractive, at the same time it was actually distracting. I wonder if the general public sees it that way too.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not happy at all with Bootcamp and windows 7. It slows my machine down, even though it should be running natively. I get a nasty white screen for a good 40 seconds on bootup where the mini is doing nothing. Then it takes a fair bit longer for windows itself to load up. I've removed it now and I'm learning to live without windows for the time being.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I actually wanted to like Windows 7, but man it is so annoying to use. And cluttered. Everything... the menus, folder windows, Start Menu... it's all just cluttered. The few attempts that are made to unclutter things actually make it worse to deal with.


In my mind, MS has made many strategic errors in relation to both Vista & Windows 7, but because of shortness of time & space, I will only focus on three matters.

1. The NT Kernel Vs Unix Kernel.

Instead of persisting with the NT Architecture underpinning their OS, they should have dumped it in favour of a Unix kernel. This is what Apple did via the incorporation of NeXT & the use of BSD. (They could have legitimized this approach by buying Xandros for example). It would have left a few people out in the cold, but they could have more than made up for it, but offering the new OS for free to anyone who had already purchased Vista. Besides, most of the underpinning work in relation to the Unix kernel would have been done, and they could have helped to contribute to the ongoing development of it. This would have benefited everyone.

2. File Management.

If you want to have a look at how Windows 7 should have been organized, then you can't go past KDE 4. KDE is the Linux worlds equivalent to the Windows desktop.

KDE's use of the Dolphin File Manager is what Windows 7 should have been like.

http://dolphin.kde.org/features.html

Lucky for us, Microsoft were half arsed in trying to copy it.

Last but not least...this is probably the biggest bug bear of all.

3. Too Expensive & Too many versions. Too confusing

Windows 7 Ultimate is a whopping $319 retail. Compare that to Snow Leopard and it becomes clear that Microsoft has no justification for demanding such a high price. I know that it can be bought for less, through 'special deals' but all this leads to is confusion in the mind of the average person.

http://tinyurl.com/ycq6g2r

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I just got Parallels 5 running on my Mac Mini with a port of my old PC running XP Pro. I must say the Mac is a far better and faster PC than my laptop ever was. I'm very impressed with the speed of this thing. Even though its virtual, its faster than my Toshiba was. And its great being able to switch back and forth between the Mac world and the PC world. Unfortunately I haven't been able to get my wife's PC ported over to her Mac. The configuration just hangs even though the transfer went OK. Might be because it's an OEM version of XP Home, while mine was an upgrade to XP Pro.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JustAnnuthaDewd wrote:

I actually wanted to like Windows 7, but man it is so annoying to use. And cluttered. Everything... the menus, folder windows, Start Menu... it's all just cluttered. The few attempts that are made to unclutter things actually make it worse to deal with.


In my mind, MS has made many strategic errors in relation to both Vista & Windows 7, but because of shortness of time & space, I will only focus on three matters.

1. The NT Kernel Vs Unix Kernel.

2. File Management.

3. Too Expensive & Too many versions. Too confusing



Agreed on all counts. Personally, I believe it's only a matter of time before MS does migrate to a Unix kernel. It won't be real soon though, and it won't happen until after Ballmer is booted out. I quite frankly am stunned that he hasn't been ousted yet. The guy is a technologically ignorant buffoon who doesn't know when to call his losses. Switching kernels would be akin to admitting defeat, and he's too stubborn to admit defeat, if he's even capable of recognizing it. Just look at their mounting losses in... well... everything outside of Office and Windows.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The guy is a technologically ignorant buffoon who doesn't know when to call his losses.


I agree. He is sinking Microsoft in the same arrogant way that IBM was sunk by the PC. They got too big for their britches, thinking like DEC that no one would ever want a computer in their home. Microsoft is showing the same arrogance thinking no one would want anything but Windows on their PC.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustAnnuthaDewd wrote:
Just look at their mounting losses in... well... everything outside of Office and Windows.


I hope you have been following what's been happening in the courts..

Microsoft Word banned by the courts

Unless changes happen, it's off the shelves January 2010


http://www.financialnewsusa.com/news/microsoft-case-bans-them

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aquafire wrote:
JustAnnuthaDewd wrote:
Just look at their mounting losses in... well... everything outside of Office and Windows.


I hope you have been following what's been happening in the courts..

Microsoft Word banned by the courts

Unless changes happen, it's off the shelves January 2010


http://www.financialnewsusa.com/news/microsoft-case-bans-them


Yes, I had read about that. They have fixes coming, or so they say, so sales will continue. I dunno how critical this is to most people though. I've never like MS Word personally. I learned word processing on WordPerfect (for DOS) back in college, and always preferred their Windows versions also.

I do have to admit that I find the EU beating MS up over Internet Explorer to be rather unfair. It should be expected that an OS comes with a web browser these days, as well as media players and other little utilities. They shouldn't have to be forced to include alternatives from competitors, though they also shouldn't be allowed to block their customers from installing and using alternatives. Making them ask customers which of 5 select browsers they want to use sets a rather dangerous precedent, in my mind. Besides the unfairness of limiting those choices to just the major 5 players, why should it stop at web browsers? Why stop with just Windows? Yeah, I wouldn't shed a tear if IE dropped off the planet finally (man it is such a piece of crap), but that's not something a court should be interfering in. Let the market sort it out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustAnnuthaDewd wrote:

Let the market sort it out.


I understand what your saying, but it has to be put into context. Time & again, Microsoft was warned about its anti competitive behavior and it just chose to ignore warnings. The court cases in both the USA & in Europe revealed that Microsoft had systematically threatened suppliers, manufactures of computers, other OEM suppliers, software manufacturers etc with what amounted to economic blackmail.

"During the antitrust case it was revealed that Microsoft had threatened PC manufacturers with revoking their license to distribute Windows if they removed the Internet Explorer icon from the initial desktop"

That sort of FUD behaviour in combination with total dominance of the OS market place could only be interpreted by the courts for what it was; anti-competitive behavior.

Don't misunderstand me. I am all for the market deciding. But the power to control from a position of dominance, is all too tempting.

It is one thing to be a giant, but quite another to behave like a domineering giant.

If I had my way, the next one on the chopping block should be Google. A company that is becoming a little too cozy with certain world governments. It has already shown itself quite happy to censor material in China as well as closer to home, (delete references to 'Climategate').

Unfortunately, we are increasingly living in a world where governments want to invade and micro-manage every aspect of our lives. So it's unlikely that Google will be brought to book for its 'Big Brother" behaviour any time soon.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That sort of FUD behaviour in combination with total dominance of the OS market place could only be interpreted by the courts for what it was; anti-competitive behavior.

Don't misunderstand me. I am all for the market deciding. But the power to control from a position of dominance, is all too tempting.

It is one thing to be a giant, but quite another to behave like a domineering giant.


Oh I definitely believe they deserved punitive measures for their many anti-competitive tactics. With IE, I know they caught flak for bundling IE with Windows for free at a time when people had to buy Netscape to get a browser, whcih is what I was referencing. I didn't know they had made threats to yank licenses if IE was removed, though I'm not entirely sure I disagree with them on that entirely. One could argue that MS wanted to preserve the "Microsoft" experience rather than letting a vendor tinker with the OS before the customer got their machine and became confused because IE wasn't there.

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If I had my way, the next one on the chopping block should be Google. A company that is becoming a little too cozy with certain world governments. It has already shown itself quite happy to censor material in China as well as closer to home, (delete references to 'Climategate').

Unfortunately, we are increasingly living in a world where governments want to invade and micro-manage every aspect of our lives. So it's unlikely that Google will be brought to book for its 'Big Brother" behaviour any time soon.


What's more unfortunate is that a substantial part of our country is OK with all that. People defend privacy invasions, saying "well if you have nothing to hide...". I've said for years that Big Brother is here.. and it's corporate America. It's far more pervasive than most people realize.
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I've said for years that Big Brother is here.. and it's corporate America. It's far more pervasive than most people realize.


Pretty much the case. The whole paradigm of Left vs Right is a nonsense to keep the 'useful idiots' as Lenin called them occupied.

In the meanwhile, a merger of both socialism & capitalism has arisen.

This new form of government where multinational corporations work hand in hand with ever growing Centralized Bureaucracies is the way of the future. We are already seeing rise of one Socio-corporate state in the shape of China.

Through the window of this perspective, the whole Copenhagen business failed because, the UN, wanted to make itself the uber~head government. The Chinese don't want to go down that road ...yet...or at least not until they (along with India can control it more on their own terms)..

As a Libertarian, I am profoundly against such over regulation & control.

Not just because it is overly invasive, but also because it leads to a profoundly inefficient system of government.

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THis is nothing new. Intel is doing the same thing as Microsoft with their hardware dominance. And Microsoft and Intel are just following in the steps of IBM when I BM dominated the large computer market. And you can probably trace it all the way back to the Barons who created the railroad and oil company monopolies. Free enterprise does have its weaknesses since it relies on the majority of people doing the right things for the right reasons. But i agree that the EU itself is a bit of a dictatorship in it's heavy handed treatment of these US companies. And now the Obama government is going after Intel. Ultimately what brought down corporate arrogance was the creation of new markets the big boys didn't anticipate; mini-computers and networks for mainframes, microcomputers for mini's, and now perhaps iPhones for Windows?
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THis is nothing new. Intel is doing the same thing as Microsoft with their hardware dominance. And Microsoft and Intel are just following in the steps of IBM when I BM dominated the large computer market. And you can probably trace it all the way back to the Barons who created the railroad and oil company monopolies


Exactly. Funny thing is, I remember a time when Kodak came within a whisker of dominating the entire silver market. Ironic then, that Kodak nearly filed for bankruptcy when the computer industry took over the field of photography.

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...perhaps iPhones for Windows?


I suggest Apple do it, before the EU or the Federal Government makes them...Shocked

MacDSmith2 wrote:
I agree that the EU itself is a bit of a dictatorship in it's heavy handed treatment of these US companies.


I put it down to jealousy. Rolling Eyes

Brussels and all that.

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