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 Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:07 am Post subject: Cloning hdd without original disks |
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Guys...
I have the opportunity to buy a MacBook Pro 17 inch with the following specs.
2.5 Core 2 Duo.
250 GB HDD
2 GB ram.
Running Leopard.
as well as running XP Pro.
Plus a stack of software.
Photoshop. Maya, Ilife, Garage band Office 2007 etc etc..
This machine is virtually new...(5 months of Apple warranty to go)
Originally sold 11 . 9 . 08.
All mine for AU $999. That's about US $655.
But here is the catch.
No install disks whatsoever.
So how can I burn a copy of the hdd with all settings to a DVD disk so that I can make a reinstall / re-installation disk that contains all of the above, and from which a could reboot and reinstall everything currently on the machine...?
Aqua
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Sounds like an amazing deal; congrats, Aqua! I don't see any way you can clone a disk you don't have, but assuming that everything is working OK in the MBP, you can either clone what's on the internal disk with Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper!, or you can make a disk image of it with Disk Utility. You can also leave out programs or files that you don't want with the cloning software.
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| Fox wrote: | | Sounds like an amazing deal; congrats, Aqua! I don't see any way you can clone a disk you don't have, but assuming that everything is working OK in the MBP, you can either clone what's on the internal disk with Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper!, or you can make a disk image of it with Disk Utility. You can also leave out programs or files that you don't want with the cloning software. |
Fox,
Thanks for your input...
Re Disk Utility...
I don't think it can work.
Can Disk Utility really make a copy of an 'active' HDD...?
I thought this could only work, if the HDD was unmounted...?
Alternately, since it's running Windows XP on its own separate partition...it makes me wonder if I can't clone the OS X partition first, while in Windows Mode and using some windows compatible cloning tool.
Aqua
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That would be the safest way is to make an image of OS X using Windows and make an Image of XP using OS X...we know in the Linux world you have to unmount the partition to make an image. But I'm not certain if it really applies to Mac world! 
I need to make an image of my OS X which I haven't done in 4 years.
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I think you can do it in Linux with something like Clonezilla or G4U.
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Hey Aqua,
Hackers to the Rescue!
So here's the lowdown:
Fox is right, the only way to make a "bootable" copy of your current drive is to use CCC or SD to make a bootable copy of the OSX partition. You'll need a second external drive of course.....
This is due to the fact that OSX on a DVD disc is compressed down to 8.5 GB!  And like every other OS, when you install it to a HD, it "unpacks" or uncompresses the files on the drive so it will work......
AFAIK, with XP, you would have to do the same thing, use a program to clone the drive to another drive. I couldn't tell you what software to use though.
again, AFAIK, there is no software out there that can clone multiple partitions, formatted differently with multiple OS's..... 
Hope this helps, mate......
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Thanks for the support guys..
Regrettably, I had to pull the plug on the deal because the machine appeared to have some serious PMU / Motherboard issues.
In the end, had i gone ahead with the deal, it would have been not much more use to me than an expensive brick.
Oh well...them is the breaks...
Aqua
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I guess that explains the great price. You usually do get what you pay for and if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.
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If it still has five months of warranty, why not go for it?
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You could remove the HD from the MBP, hook it up to one of your many Linux machines with one of those SATA to USB adapters (it should mount as if it were an external HD), and then make a clone like how fox/ghost explained?
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| Smithcraft wrote: | If it still has five months of warranty, why not go for it?
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Because Apple in their infinite wisdom no longer warranty batteries. That alone kills the deal because a replacement battery would have added another $A250~$299 (Australian dollars) to the price tag.
| Krametash wrote: | | You could remove the HD from the MBP, hook it up to one of your many Linux machines with one of those SATA to USB adapters (it should mount as if it were an external HD), and then make a clone like how fox/ghost explained? |
Well I suppose I could have done that. Only trouble being that there would have been a void / no return policy on it, the moment I cracked open the case.
So like Fox said..sometimes, a so called 'bargain' ends up costing more in terms of time, trouble & cash.
Aqua
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Sounds like an amazing deal congrats, Aqua! I don't see any way you can clone a disk you don't have, but assuming that everything is working OK in the MBP, you can either clone what's on the internal disk with Carbon Copy Cloner or Super Duper!, or you can make a disk image of it with Disk Utility. You can also leave out programs or files that you don't want with the cloning software.. That would be the safest way is to make an image of OS X using Windows and make an Image of XP using OS X...we know in the Linux world you have to unmount the partition to make an image.
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FYI, for future reference, disk utility is more than capable at creating a bootable clone of your running OS X system (just like superduper or other tools). Those third party programs are unnecessary. Use disk utility's restore functionality. It did this the last time I upgraded my hdd and it worked great.
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