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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:40 am    Post subject: Need An OS Reply with quote

I just bought a G3 m5521 iMac with 256mb of mem, a 20gb hard drive, and only a cd drive. There is no OS on the drive so I was wondering if I could install OS9 on it using my PPC Mac Mini disc?

Also would is it possible to install Panther instead of OS9? Would I need to update the firmware for Panther?

If I decide to just put linux on it, I wouldn't need to update firmware would I?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My old iMac G3/400 (same model as yours I believe) ran with Panther and Tiger as well as OS9. I think I did a firmware update at one point, and regardless of whether you need it for a particular OS or not, it's best to keep the firmware up to date. But you may be out of luck with the mini disk, as it may only install to a PPC mini. If it includes a full installation of OS9, that should work, but Apple stopped doing that by the time I bought my PPC mini.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just getting home from picking up the imac. I'm not sure about the mini's OS9 disk being a full or upgrade version, which I bought in March '05, but it had Panther installed, so I never tried OS9.

What about Panther or Tiger? I purchased the full Tiger disc later after having the mini. But from reading, it seems I need to install OS9 to update the firmware, is this correct?

What if I want to just go with linux, would I still need to update the firmware first or can I install linux and then update firmware? Also I do have an external dvd drive I can use for installation.

Fox, can you offer me a best case senario for installing something? Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghosty,

The way to tell a full vs a model specific disk...is this..

Generally speaking, the model specific disks are grey in color.

The Universal install disks. that work with any mac.are given a logo like this....

http://tinyurl.com/apwm5u

This article is also very comprehensive in regards to all the questions you asked...
...well...with the exception of the Linux one...

http://tinyurl.com/d4ohdl

Also, this covers just about everything else..

http://www.wap.org/journal/macos9/default.html

Hope this sheds some light..

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good sleuthing, Aqua. I haven't used my own iMac G3/400 in years and I couldn't remember how I did all this. But the good news is once you've updated the firmware, you can run Tiger on it. As for Linux, I wasn't using it back when I was using the iMac G3.

I do believe that Apple was still issuing the full version of 9.2 at the time the iMac G3/400 came out.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link on how to tell full version of OS9. I will have to dig them out later today after work and see which one I have.

If I remember correctly, I believe both OSes came with the mini, Panther & OS9. I do have a retail version of Tiger, that is how I installed it on the mini.

Now, I'm still uncertain about installing Linux. Will it still need the firmware update if I go with linux?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rather doubt that you need the firmware update to install Linux, and it's probably easier to just try the install than to go to the trouble of getting what you need to do the firmware if your version of OS9 doesn't work. With regard to Tiger, I'm quite sure that Apple was no longer providing OS9 as part of the package by that time.

What version of Linux would you put on the iMac? Your choices are a lot more limited than for the x86/amd64 architectures. I can vouch for Debian Lenny and openSUSE 11.0 on the G4; both provide Airport Extreme support and Mac-on-Linux works on them. But MOL is probably not of interest to you, and your iMac supports Airport, not Airport Extreme. You might even be interested in trying Yellow Dog, as it supports Airport better than Extreme.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghostdawg wrote:
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Now, I'm still uncertain about installing Linux. Will it still need the firmware update if I go with linux?


I don't think so : still before you update...try running a live Linux disk first.

Linux, like OS X uses open firmware, so it should be simple matter of running your PPC compatible Linux disk in live mode to check that everything is working.

If so...then go ahead with the install.

If not, then maybe look to update the firmware.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. I will probably install Debian netinst for the minimum approach. Using x86 default kernel is a 486. Would that be the equivalent type of kernel for a G3? But first I will try a livecd to see how it work out.

I think OS9 came with my mini which had Panther also. I bought Tiger later on and it was only Tiger.

** UPDATE**
Good news and bad news...

The bad, I found the disc that came with the mini and it does include both OS9 & OSX, but they are not retail versions.

The good, I did find a PPC Ubuntu 4.10 disc I had ordered way back then. It should be a livecd also...I would always order x86, x86_64 and PPC discs.

Now to find some time tomorrow and setup the G3 and see what happens with Ubuntu.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got Ubuntu 6.04 working on an even older "old world" G3 Beige tower awhile back. Why would you go any older than that?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Ghosty.

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Why not give this a go... Cool

>>> http://tinyurl.com/dm3odh <<<

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
I got Ubuntu 6.04 working on an even older "old world" G3 Beige tower awhile back. Why would you go any older than that?

I just wanted to see if it would work, and it did. I'm going to go with a debian netinstall, LXDE desktop, which will keep it light.

I didn't have the nic hooked up but it picked it up and asked about it. Mine doesn't have a wifi card so that is out for now. Maybe I can find a good usb wifi for it.

Aqua, that is too heavy for me. Very Happy Plus I don't have a Leopard disc. I would like to put OSX on it, so I'll check around and see if I can find OS9 disc on ebay or someplace.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the problem for installing Tiger, is that it's a DVD based install disc.

I don't recall, but maybe you could install it via Firewire Target Mode...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithcraft wrote:
I think the problem for installing Tiger, is that it's a DVD based install disc.

I don't recall, but maybe you could install it via Firewire Target Mode...

SC


Thats true Smithy...

What is little known is that at the time of Tigers' release, & for a few extra $$ you could send away to Apple and have Tiger on a set of Cd's.

Regretably, that's no longer available as an option....at least as far as I know.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, until I can get OS9, I installed a minimum debian system. But now I'm having problems getting X to start. I keep getting these errors:


R128 (0): No DFP Detected

FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO Invalid Argument, quite a few of these

And at the end this

Fatal Server Error, Could not open default font path 'fixed'


Any ideas on fixing this? When I had Ubuntu installed, I should have saved the xorg.conf file...silly me. I would like to get this working, if not I will try a full install of debian with LXDE.

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