123Macmini.com
FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   GalleryPhoto Gallery   RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Apple finally sues unauthorized clone maker Psystar
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    123Macmini.com - Forums Forum Index -> More News
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Glenn
News Moderator


Joined: 23 Jan 2005
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: Apple finally sues unauthorized clone maker Psystar Reply with quote

Apple finally sues unauthorized clone maker Psystar
Approved by: Glenn
Category: Apple

AppleInsider - "Apple Inc. is fed up with a small Florida-based firm that has been selling its own brand of computers running hacked versions of the Mac OS X operating system and has finally slapped the company with a lawsuit."

Read more...

* We are in the process of changing the "More News" forum, so this topic might seem out of place.
_________________
Glenn
123Macmini.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dungeon92
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 01 Mar 2006
Posts: 2403
Location: St. Louis/Rolla, MO

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone not say this was bound to happen when they openly violate the EULA and are thereby distributing illegal software.
_________________
"You must control your future by taking command of your present, and fixing and learning from your past."

"When history is forgotten people don't realize when it repeats."

Going to Missouri S&T!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Livenstak
Member
Member


Joined: 06 Mar 2007
Posts: 177

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This will be interesting to see on how the EULA vs. monopolistic behavior is considered.
_________________
If A is success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
scooper
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 1005

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just can't wait to get Leopard running on my MSI Wind. Laughing

Honestly.... Apple needs to lower the price of their hardware, update the Mac mini, and come out with a new headless tower that is comparable to the iMac in specs. That's why I was secretly cheering for Psystar. They kind of showed that Apple has failed on all of those fronts.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Chris..S
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 25 Feb 2007
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Livenstak wrote:
This will be interesting to see on how the EULA vs. monopolistic behavior is considered.


To be monopolistic behaviour you need to have a monopoly. Apple doesn't have a monopoly in computers or operating systems. Just because they are the only one who sells OS/X doesn't make them a monopoly.

If it did get to court, it would be interesting to see how the EULA faired.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Livenstak
Member
Member


Joined: 06 Mar 2007
Posts: 177

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By monopolistic behavior, I meant that OS X, a product that Apple sells by itself, is restricted to Apple hardware by Apple. So you are basically buying a product that you own but are restricted to use by its seller.

The argumentation of Psystar is that it's akin to Microsoft restricting Windows for Dell computers or Honda restricting his cars to ride only on certain roads.

However specious you see this argument, there is still some interest on seeing how this is going to play out for the small fish.
_________________
If A is success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
JohnnyBoy
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 13 Jul 2007
Posts: 3954
Location: West Sussex, South-East England

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm amazed that it took Apple so long to make a move....
_________________
Intel Mini 2.0GHz C2D (4GB/120GB/SuperDrive/10.5.8 ), 120GB WD Passport, Logitech ergo k/b
iPod Touch (32GB, 3rd gen), iPod Shuffle (512MB, 1st gen)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Bandit Bill
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 07 Jun 2005
Posts: 5985
Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnnyBoy wrote:
I'm amazed that it took Apple so long to make a move....


Me too sort of, but I'm sure the lawsuit has been in the works since day 1. Maybe Apple needed time to build a case. Whatever revenue Psystar generated can likely be seen as lost revenue by Apple. Whether Psystar will have the means of paying it out to Apple remains to be seen.

This should be a fun case to follow.

I agree with Scooper, Psystar has shown that there is a hole in the Apple product line. Whether Apple will ever deliver in this area has yet to be seen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Fox
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 01 Feb 2006
Posts: 2682
Location: Peterborough, Ontario, Canada

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be very interested in the outcome as well. At this point, I hope Apple loses. I didn't mind them having a monopoly as long as they put out a range of products to meet their customer's needs, but it is clear that they're not listening to their customers. If they won't put out a minitower, let someone else do it. Evil or Very Mad (And yes, I realize that this has nothing to do with the EULA.)
_________________
Mini 1 (2012): 2.3 ghz Core i7; 10 gb RAM, Corsair 240gb SSD, 500 gb Seagate XT
Mini 2 (2009): 2.26 ghz Core 2 duo, 8 gb RAM, 500 gb Seagate used as HTPC
Also a 13" MacBook Air, 21.5" i5 iMac & 11.6" Acer 1810TZ running Ubuntu & Manjaro
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
devo
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 23 Jan 2005
Posts: 5393
Location: Dunwoody, GA

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bandit Bill wrote:
Whether Psystar will have the means of paying it out to Apple remains to be seen.

I doubt they will ever get a dime. Hell, I bet Psystar pulls a Keyser Soze. And like that, they are gone into the night! The company kind of sounded shady anyways.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Chris..S
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 25 Feb 2007
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Livenstak wrote:
By monopolistic behavior, I meant that OS X, a product that Apple sells by itself, is restricted to Apple hardware by Apple. So you are basically buying a product that you own but are restricted to use by its seller.

The argumentation of Psystar is that it's akin to Microsoft restricting Windows for Dell computers or Honda restricting his cars to ride only on certain roads.

However specious you see this argument, there is still some interest on seeing how this is going to play out for the small fish.


I agree about the interest just not about the monopoly.

Microsoft does have a monopoly in PC OS. Apple+OSX is like Microsoft+XBox, Sony+PS3, Nintendo+Wii.

Similarly, AMD could tie up exclusive CPU supplier arrangements with its customers (if any were that daft). Intel can't because it has the monopoly so it has to ensure its business practices don't put barriers in front of new entrants to the market.

In Pystar terms. Its business is selling PCs. It can do that just fine by selling them with Windows (or Linux or OpenSolaris). So Apple's restrictions on OSX aren't a barrier in the way of someone entering the PC market.

The interesting thing is what it means to purchase a copy of some software. Do you as the purchaser then have the right to do with that software anything you please, as long as you ensure only one copy is "live" at anytime (i.e. you don't breach any intellectual property rights). I would bet that this case, even if it got to court, would go Apple's way as Pystar are a business attempting to profit from selling OSX and that the judgement will say nothing about whether or not Apple would be successful if they prosecuted you or me for doing the same thing, as consumers for our own use.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
g5g5
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 25 Jan 2005
Posts: 2767
Location: Virginia

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a copy of the lawsuit if anyone is interested.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/images/apple.pdf

And so the fun begins...

Smile
_________________
1.25GHz Mac Mini / 1.8GHz iMac G5 / 2.0GHz C2D Mac mini (2009)
4GB iPod mini / 2G iPod shuffle / 16GB iPhone 3G
Apple TV 2
iLife's a Bitch!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
hackersmovie
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 3173
Location: Maryland, U.S.A

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't read the lawsuit but, jumping on the EULA bandwagon, Pystar wouldn't be violating that, would they? After all, it's the people buying the machines that are in fact the "end user". Right?
_________________
Digital Marketing For Small Business
Digital Marketing Forum
Mac Repairs & Upgrades
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
Chris..S
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 25 Feb 2007
Posts: 704

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hackersmovie wrote:
I didn't read the lawsuit but, jumping on the EULA bandwagon, Pystar wouldn't be violating that, would they? After all, it's the people buying the machines that are in fact the "end user". Right?


If Pystar aren't a legitimate reseller and they were pre-installing OSX on the machines before selling them, then presumably at the point they are installing the OS they are the end user. They must have at some point ripped off the shrink wrap to install that first copy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
g5g5
Veteran Member
Veteran Member


Joined: 25 Jan 2005
Posts: 2767
Location: Virginia

PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris..S wrote:
If Pystar aren't a legitimate reseller and they were pre-installing OSX on the machines before selling them, then presumably at the point they are installing the OS they are the end user. They must have at some point ripped off the shrink wrap to install that first copy.

Exactly. Pystar also made modifications to the software. That's another point in Apple's favor.
_________________
1.25GHz Mac Mini / 1.8GHz iMac G5 / 2.0GHz C2D Mac mini (2009)
4GB iPod mini / 2G iPod shuffle / 16GB iPhone 3G
Apple TV 2
iLife's a Bitch!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    123Macmini.com - Forums Forum Index -> More News All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



      

Shop:  Apple Store  |  Refurbished Macs  |  Refurbished iPads  |  MacConnection  |  Mac Mini Vault  |  Other World Computing

MK 1 Studio Mac mini Racks  |  Crucial Mac Memory  |  Top Free Mac Apps  |  Top Paid Mac Apps



123Macmini.com is an independent publication and has not been authorized, sponsored, or approved by Apple Computer, Inc.
All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owners.
Copyright © 2011 123Macmini.com. All Rights Reserved.