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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmm.. 16ft, that should be like 5,4864 meters


How did that math work? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmm.. 16ft, that should be like 5,4864 meters and that means I could have a drive enclosure stored in the next room holding 2 or 3 harddrives and a nice Dual Layer DVD burner. I sure hope it's possible to leave the combo inside the mini with the 2,5" to 3,5" IDE converter.

Not exactly, thr recommended distance for optimal performance of an external drive is 2 meters. Keep in mind that with distance there is loss of throughput, and a complete contradiction of what is trying to be achieved, a faster mini.

Here are some cable specs:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_Serial_ATA.html#d
http://www.sata-io.org/esata.asp
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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h4ns wrote:
Hmm.. 16ft, that should be like 5,4864 meters


How did that math work? Laughing

Europeans use commas instead of a period for decimals. I had to take a second look myself.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Susurrus wrote:
h4ns wrote:
Hmm.. 16ft, that should be like 5,4864 meters


How did that math work? Laughing

Europeans use commas instead of a period for decimals. I had to take a second look myself.


Oh, okay. Yeah, I keep forgetting about that...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Converting SATA to PATA defeats the purpose of SATA altogether. Once you convert it, you're then dealing with the bandwidth limitations of PATA. Right?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Converting SATA to PATA defeats the purpose of SATA altogether. Once you convert it, you're then dealing with the bandwidth limitations of PATA. Right?

The purpose is to get a clean external harddrive installation while being on the PATA internal bus. The other benefit is to be able to put the drives in a RAID configuration.

The SATA cables are easier to route through the case and are smaller than any PATA cables available.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Converting SATA to PATA defeats the purpose of SATA altogether. Once you convert it, you're then dealing with the bandwidth limitations of PATA. Right?

The purpose is to get a clean external harddrive installation while being on the PATA internal bus. The other benefit is to be able to put the drives in a RAID configuration.

The SATA cables are easier to route through the case and are smaller than any PATA cables available.


Ahh, gotcha. I agree it would be cleaner, but as far as speed you wouldn't gain anything over a PATA drive.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ahh, gotcha. I agree it would be cleaner, but as far as speed you wouldn't gain anything over a PATA drive.


As far as having it hooked up to a native SATA bus, it wouldn't matter. The difference between SATA and PATA for comparable drives only shows up during peak thoroughput, which happens very infrequently and for far less than a second. Other than that, the advantages for using SATA is the actual features it gives, not how fast it goes. NCQ and clips on the much smaller cables do it for me. If you dig around the forums I posted more info on SATA vs. PATA I think.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul,

It seems from your initial post that when you finish the installation, the case of the mini would be close, correct? If that is the plan, where would you squeese the SATA cable through, the vent holes? Or do you have to leave the case open like that of the person who connected the IDE drive directly?

Finally, is there any way that one could connect the IDE drive without leaving the case open and without using an enclosure?

Just curious,

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Gmas wrote:
It seems from your initial post that when you finish the installation, the case of the mini would be close, correct? If that is the plan, where would you squeese the SATA cable through, the vent holes? Or do you have to leave the case open like that of the person who connected the IDE drive directly?

He was going to put the sata cable through one of the vents or remove the modem and use that hole.

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Finally, is there any way that one could connect the IDE drive without leaving the case open and without using an enclosure?

Yes, use an IDE laptop drive.Wink No, there is not enough room, that is why he is trying out an external SATA drive.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got it. Thanks for the explanation. Sounds great!

What is the status??



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The status is that Paul would let us know how things worked out, but he's not returned yet.

I sure hope it did not not toast his mini..
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